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I "tour" nursing homes. As I get older lugging gear from the car, up steps, elevators...multiple trips gets harder and harder on the back and legs.
So how do you guys do this? Rock-n-Roller carts? Gator carts? On Stage carts?
What are your recommendations for cart size vs cart weight?
What about wheel size...regular casters vs all terrain wheels?
Would appreciate your insight and experience.
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As I get older, slowly.
Perhaps more helpful, I have a few tools that help. If I’m bringing my PA, a hand truck with small wheels on the long side can carry it. If I’m just taking horns, I have a small luggage carrier that resembles a hand truck but the great thing is the three wheels pattern on each side: it climbs stairs very easily.
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when I was playing solo with backing tracks, I couldn't risk multiple trips because I didn't have anybody to watch what was left while I was gone with the first load. So I bought a rock n roller cart with pneumatic tires (recommended). That enabled me to move everything in and out in one trip. They come in different sizes, and I think bigger is better. Even with a fairly large cart, you need an organized method of stacking your gear to make it all fit. The biggest constraint is whether your vehicle has enough space to hold all your gear AND the cart. Even though they fold up, they still take up quite a bit of space due to the wheels
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There is no easy answer to this issue for young or old. It all depends on what you are moving. Bigger wheels are generally better. Pneumatic tires, as Pat said.
At some point in my life, I had to stop being Super Man leaping onto small stages with a single bound...lol I had to hire someone to move heavy stuff and just say no to second-floor gigs. You may find it disheartening to discover that common moving labor is worth more than skilled musicians in all too many cases. OMG, I remember staircases in Holland that looked like ladders. I am lucky now if I can walk to the elevator...lol
Reduce the load by using modern equipment. Play and sing through the PA. Use Guitar Rig 6 instead of lugging a Twin Reverb around. Use a Mexican Strat instead of a Les Paul. Leave the spare repair parts and tools in the car. Be glad you are not a drummer.
Put a crash garde between you and all your gear in the van. It is a good idea not to get killed on the way to the gig.
Sure, I "want" a B3, three guitars, four hundred pounds of tube amps, a snake, and a sound man...well, and a couple of cute girls just for good measure. That ship sailed a long time ago for almost all of us...lol
The other answer is just don't ever get old. Live hard, die young!
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We just finished tearing down a whole orchestra within the last hour. The musicians took care of their instruments - grandsons of one of the board members put the music stands and chairs away.
Grandchildren work wonders for this kind of work.
For one person, I would get one of those lightweight modeling amps - with my guitar that would be it. (Substitute whatever instrument you want if you don't play guitar.)
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Reduce the load by using modern equipment. Play and sing through the PA. Use Guitar Rig 6 instead of lugging a Twin Reverb around. Use a Mexican Strat instead of a Les Paul. Leave the spare repair parts and tools in the car. Be glad you are not a drummer.
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Amen, For my instrumental (guitar with backing tracks) gigs I use a line array pa (ev Evolve 30M) a direct box (Tech 21 FlyRig or Quilter Superblock), a telecaster (usually), an Ipad and a bag of cables. The base of the PA weighs 32 lbs. 2 trips by myself. pretty easy for a64 year old man. That handles 99% of the gigs, inside or out. For bigger I own the Ev Evolve 50 whose cabinet weighs 44lbs. Less than a Vibrolux. The line array has great sound clarity and coverage. Not too loud inside but plenty of gas for an outdoor cafe or swimming pool. If just playing guitar I use a Quilter Micro Pro 2 or a Fender Tonemaster Deluxe. Both of them sound great and weigh 22lbs or .5 Fender Vibrolux. I'm done carrying tube amps and 18" cabs.
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---"I couldn't risk multiple trips because I didn't have anybody to watch what was left while I was gone with the first load."---
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Gee, it looks like we've played some of the same places, Pat...LOL
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Thanks folks, appreciate all of your insight. Yea, grand kids...no help they're 700 miles away! Think I'll go with a Rock-n-Roller cart...they don't make the ones with pneumatic wheels any more....some kinda foam filled thing instead.
Gotta save the back or my "touring" days are over. Just hope that when the day comes that I'm in the audience rather than on stage, there be some younger guys that come in and do some entertaining for us.
I never much thought about the nursing home circuit until I saw how much the residents appreciated the entertainment when my mom was there. Even a hack like me brings a lot of smiles and memories back to these folks. Pays nothing but definitely one of the best "jobs" I've ever had.
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Reduce the size and weight of your gear. It was one thing to have monstrously big gear back in the day but with technology and audio improvements there's no need for big bulky gear. Especially if you are playing small venues.
Even so, it's often difficult to get everything in and out with one trip.
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I bought a small utility cart $30 at harbor freight. battery powered PA 20 lbs, my laptop, small case with cables and connectors, and either a nylon string or steel string acoustic.
Bluetooth the laptop to the little PA, plugin the guitar and one Mike and folding stand. It all fits nicely on the cart. If I need a bit more punch I have a tower speaker that has a bit more power but is still not to heavy.
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Thankfully, I'm in a duo so there is someone to watch.
I have a rolling rack for my PA and synth modules, and a dolly (piece of plywood with 3" casters on the bottom.
We are very gear intensive. On stage, we both sing and play guitar. Plus she plays a Buchla MIDI controller, I play sax, flute, and wind synthesizer. Add pedals, stands, powered speakers (15" woofers) and gear boxes, and it's a lot of schlepping.
It keeps me in shape, as I don't need a gym membership to lift heavy things.
There is more than one answer to your question. It depends on the terrain and paths you usually follow.
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Thankfully, I'm in a duo so there is someone to watch. Just to be clear, you meant to stand by the car and watch while you schlep the next load to deter theft, right? Not "Watch while I do all the work?" 
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Bob (Notes Norton), Which Buchla MIDI controller does your wife play? I did a search and found Buchla offers, or has offered, a variety of midi controllers.
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Thanks folks, appreciate all of your insight. Yea, grand kids...no help they're 700 miles away! Think I'll go with a Rock-n-Roller cart...they don't make the ones with pneumatic wheels any more....some kinda foam filled thing instead.
Gotta save the back or my "touring" days are over. Just hope that when the day comes that I'm in the audience rather than on stage, there be some younger guys that come in and do some entertaining for us.
I never much thought about the nursing home circuit until I saw how much the residents appreciated the entertainment when my mom was there. Even a hack like me brings a lot of smiles and memories back to these folks. Pays nothing but definitely one of the best "jobs" I've ever had.
Jeff It is fun playing the nursing homes, but you may want to inquire, as many have a budget for entertainment. There is no need to give away what the places may pay for.
My wife asked if I had seen the dog bowl. I told her I didn't even know he could.
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I picked up a cheap cart from Harbor Freight to haul my rack case (Bass Amp / Tuner / Wireless / Effects Processor), a 1X15 cabinet, a 4X10 cabinet and two bass guitars in cases. Can do it in one trip. Harrbor Freight Hand Truck I'm 62 though and seriously looking at changing this setup to something MUCH lighter and easier to get in and out of the truck . . .
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I picked up a cheap cart from Harbor Freight to haul my rack case (Bass Amp / Tuner / Wireless / Effects Processor), a 1X15 cabinet, a 4X10 cabinet and two bass guitars in cases. Can do it in one trip. Harrbor Freight Hand Truck I'm 62 though and seriously looking at changing this setup to something MUCH lighter and easier to get in and out of the truck . . . Perhaps that is possible in today's market. I still have a Gallien-Krueger 800RB 300 / 100-Watt Bi-Amp Bass Amp Head which is about the size of a loaf of bread. That amp is heavy as hell just by itself, must less a four-ten cab and a fifteen. PA systems have definably have gotten better, and so have amp emulators, but nothing sounds like the real thing. Playing live, the bass is more than just sound. It is also about moving air. I have never heard anything that really sounded like a fifteen-inch speaker but a fifteen-inch speaker. That is the issue with modern light equipment; it just does not sound like the real thing. That is the compromise we have to accept to use lighter equipment. It may be the only solution when you get too old to move all that heavy stuff around. Perhaps it does not matter as much in the world where music is being listened to on cell phones. Billy
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Keeping in mind that playing nursing homes is not exactly playing Hollywood Bowl, and you are probably playing in some kind of small gathering room or parlor, a big amp with a 4x12? C'mon. You don't need more than a 15w combo amp with one 10" speaker and a tiny portable PA to make those people happy. Especially with backing tracks. As one who grumbled for years about how much junk keyboard players have to move (it's just slightly less than drummers!), that actually contributed to why I don't play anymore. If I was a seriously touring musician on the road promoting my latest platinum CD, maybe, but I was playing in a tribute band covering up the horn players (who were barely in the FOH mix) because they played so badly out of tune. So outside of Herbstock, I don't move gear anymore. And Herb pays the musicians with steak!
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Bob (Notes Norton), Which Buchla MIDI controller does your wife play? I did a search and found Buchla offers, or has offered, a variety of midi controllers. She plays a "Thunder" tactile MIDI controller, hooked to a Roland Sound Canvas sound module. It will do things a traditional keyboard will not do, and the traditional keyboard will do things the Thunder cannot do. It is extremely flexible to set up. The problem is, they don't make them anymore. We have two, and if they break, they go back to Buchla to fix. So far, we had few problems through the years, and they could be fixed. But they no longer make some of the chips that were used in that machine, so if one of those go, it's goodbye to the Thunder. BTW, Mrs. Notes does her share of schlepping. I lift the gear out of the minivan, stack it on the wheels, and she rolls them in. It saves time that way. Mrs. Notes is not a diva, but a hard-working equal member of the duo. Her smaller size and strength means I do all the heaviest lifting, but she does her share. I got very lucky with her. Notes ♫
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Saw mill moosic thats the cart I have. It has haul music stuff and a full apartment full of stuff.
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Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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