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To avoid any potential goaltending, let me preface my comments by saying what a huge fan of BIAB I am. The product is excellent, the support team is friendly and responsive, and every year's version is a tangible improvement over the last - overall a superior product and company, and I have recommended it to many of my peers.
There's one area that I believe is a substantial area for improvement from a customer satisfaction standpoint, and that is in regards to the order process itself, and more importantly the shipping.
It's a bit confusing to know which version to order when you're upgrading on the website. This is perhaps due to there being so many versions to select from (audiophile, etc.), but it might make it more user-friendly if there were separate links/pages for those upgrading from the previous version ('22 in this case) and for those who are upgrading an earlier version. Just a thought.
The only actual complaint I have ever had with PGMusic/BIAB (and this is nitpicking to a degree) is regarding the shipping process. By way of example, I saw early last week that the '23 version for Mac was now available - outstanding, so I immediately placed & paid for my order for the audiophile upgrade. It is now Friday, 10 days later, and the HD has still not even shipped. I've communicated with the sales team, and was told it would go out this week, and it most likely will ship today or tomorrow. My issue is this: a 10+ day turnaround to process & ship an order, in this day & age, is excessive. Now I wouldn't have a problem with that at all if it were communicated on the front end. It creates frustration to check and check and check for a shipping notification for days on end.
I understand that there are sometimes real-world problems that cause the delays. I just wish there was more proactive communication and transparency from PGMusic when that is an issue, or is going to be.
Whenever I'm producing a project, I always tell the client/artist two things before we begin. First, I tell them how much it's going to cost, and what I tell them is always more than what it winds up costing them. Secondly, I tell them when it will be finished, and again I always get it done sooner than I tell them up front. The reason being I have learned that it's better to under-promise and over-deliver than to over-promise and under-deliver. A lot of that is successfully managed in the way expectations are set on the front end.
I hope this will be taken in the spirit of constructive criticism and (hopefully) helpful suggestion that it is intended.
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My order took 10 days total from the order date. 8 days passed before it shipped but when it did ship it was sent by FedEx 2 day service. Maybe it took a few days extra to ship because they were slammed with orders for the new Mac 2023 sale. I hope they sold a ton of them!
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The amount of time it takes to ship is less of an issue for me than the lack of communication explaining or preparing customers for it.
As of this morning (5/6), it has been 11 days and my order still has not shipped. Two points regarding that fact: first, that is an unacceptable and unreasonable amount of time to process & ship an order, and secondly, I should not have to track down information from PGMusic if there is a delay of some kind - or even if they are backed up with orders. An email explaining the situation would go a long, long way, but instead....crickets.
*update* after talking with sales, I am now told it could be as long as 1 or 2 more weeks before it ships. I reiterate, I shouldn't have to track this type of information down.
Last edited by Roger Brown; 05/06/23 04:40 AM.
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Suffice to say PG Music has a production issue and who knows if if the reason is a result of the Mac uptick in sales. Either way, totally not acceptable. The bottom line is that any reasons that you are given is lip service, up tp and including...... crickets. At the end of the day, you don't have the product. Oh, by the way, you likely paid for it up in advance.
I have not ordered my update yet, but when I do I will tell them that I will not authorize any charges for the item untill it ships. Make'em squirm a little bit. It bugs me to pay for something that I don't have.
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I feel your pain. I ordered immediately after the new version went live on the website, and it was over a week before it was shipped. That said, it is apparently a 3rd-party that does the shipping, so sometimes things are out of people's control. It is nice that they allow us to download the new software immediately so we can start using some of the new features ASAP. I wish they'd just offer EVERYTHING as downloads. A CDN is faster AND cheaper than paying a 3rd-party to copy files to a hard drive and ship them out.
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I know that but I'd feel better pushing them a bit. But you never know, I might receive it in a couple of days.
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Suffice to say PG Music has a production issue …
Says you. Can't say that I agree. My order shipped from a large warehouse in California. Took five days to ship and I received it two days later. Interestingly, there is no shipper name on the label so I have no idea who the carrier is. No complaint here.
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It begs the question, why are some orders processed & shipped so quickly. You got yours in a very timely manner, and that's great...but I'm coming up on two weeks since I placed & paid for mine, and it still hasn't shipped. Interesting that some seem to get out the door expeditiously and others do not. At the very least it's something that PGM should look into.
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When I ordered mine it was delivered to me in the UK in 5 days after placing the order.
Last edited by TRYUK; 05/08/23 03:35 AM.
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I feel your pain. I ordered immediately after the new version went live on the website, and it was over a week before it was shipped. That said, it is apparently a 3rd-party that does the shipping, so sometimes things are out of people's control. It is nice that they allow us to download the new software immediately so we can start using some of the new features ASAP. I wish they'd just offer EVERYTHING as downloads. A CDN is faster AND cheaper than paying a 3rd-party to copy files to a hard drive and ship them out. Fortunately, only the Audiophile version requires the drive; all others are available via download. Some of us have been complaining about this for years. Having an internet connection that allows me to download a 1.5TB Komplete library set easily, I was finally free of having that stack of hard drives. It would be nice if BIAB followed suit.
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The audiophile drives did take longer to start shipping. Sorry for the delay.
Yes, we have considered offering it as a download, OR offering new/updated files as a download. That might be feasible, but it is not currently offered (aside from the option to download the regular non-audiophile version).
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Yes, we have considered offering it as a download, OR offering new/updated files as a download. That might be feasible, but it is not currently offered (aside from the option to download the regular non-audiophile version). Thank you for not insulting our intelligence like (others whom I shall not name) by telling us why we don't really want this. Now, if I had a use for this growing stack of 2TB HDDs…
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Just as an FYI.My Canadian shipment for the Mac 2023 update was ordered on Tuesday of this week and I received at 1 pm today (Friday).
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
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Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
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Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
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Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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