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I am working on something where I need an Em7(b9) and can't for the life of me find it in the chord builder.
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I think it doesn't exist.
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BIAB has a G7/E ?? I think that is the very same chord.
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Just out of curiosity, could you please spell that chord, root going up?
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I think it doesn't exist. It sure as hell does. And I can play one on the guitar. Just out of curiosity, could you please spell that chord, root going up?
E G B D F
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I think it doesn't exist. It sure as hell does. And I can play one on the guitar. Just out of curiosity, could you please spell that chord, root going up?
E G B D F Disclaimer: This subject is way beyond my pay grade. But this is what my AI assistant tells me. The notes E G B D F are not a chord. They are the notes on the lines of the treble clef in music notation. The mnemonic used by some music students to remember these notes is “Every Good Boy Deserves Fruit”.
If you are looking for a chord that contains these notes, you might want to try playing an E minor 9th chord. This chord contains the notes E G B D and F#, which is the same as F.
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Now that’s AI at work: “F# is the same as F”. I’ve been doing this wrong all those years…
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I raised my eye brows on that as well, but I wanted to provide what it returned.
Maybe somebody can guess what it's really trying to say.
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Em7b9 is spelled E, G, B, D, F from the root. This just so happens to be the mnemonic for naming the lines in the staff - (E)very (G)ood (B)oy (D)oes (F)ine. But believe me, this is just a coincidence as far as this thread is concerned.
As pointed out, BIAB does not recognize this chord.
G7/E is spelled E, G, B, D, F (from the bass note). BIAB does recognize this chord, hence my recommendation to substitute.
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Disclaimer: This subject is way beyond my pay grade.
But this is what my AI assistant tells me.
The notes E G B D F are not a chord. They are the notes on the lines of the treble clef in music notation. The mnemonic used by some music students to remember these notes is “Every Good Boy Deserves Fruit”.
If you are looking for a chord that contains these notes, you might want to try playing an E minor 9th chord. This chord contains the notes E G B D and F#, which is the same as F.
You sure that AI doesn't stand for "artificial imbecile?" It didn't even get the mnemonic right. The definition of "chord" is extremely broad. Look it up. Any music theory text will define a chord as any three (or two) notes superimposed or words to that effect. A minor 9th chord is an entirely different sound than a minor 7th with the b9 added. Entirely different. The G7/E does have all the same notes and might be a workable substitute. I would have to try it. However, what I'm working with is a modal progression (G Mixolydian) where the root of the chord definitely needs to be "E," as it is functioning as the b6.
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Quandary Solved! The programmers gave the training set too many examples of Rap and not enough Mozart 
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I raised my eye brows on that as well, but I wanted to provide what it returned.
Maybe somebody can guess what it's really trying to say.
Oh, I know you recognized that as nonsense. It is too funny but horrifying that people might believe it. What is it trying to say? It's trying to bluff us with an answer and hope we don't notice.
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By the way, back to the question, I agree with Dan.
I also had a 'chord namer' program spit out G13/E. The choice between that and G7/E would depend on what the more 'important' upper tone is, the E or the F.
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By the way, back to the question, I agree with Dan. While BIAB may want to stray from E as the root, I don't think it is any more or less likely than if you could have written the chord without the slash root. If the chord is to be held a while, you could experiment with E as a pedal tone. You could also do some fudging to increase the likelihood the bass stays on the root, such as to use Em, select Simpler for that RealTrack, and then freeze the bass part.
I also had a 'chord namer' program spit out G13/E. The choice between that and G7/E would depend on what the more 'important' upper tone is, the E or the F.
This was today's fun question.
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I am working on something where I need an Em7(b9) and can't for the life of me find it in the chord builder. I think it doesn't exist. It sure as hell does. And I can play one on the guitar. Oh, I agree that the chord exists, but your question specifically referred to finding it in the chord builder. My answer was obviously only related to the chord builder.
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You could also do some fudging to increase the likelihood the bass stays on the root, such as to use Em, select Simpler for that RealTrack, and then freeze the bass part. I think this exposes a further weakness with the program. It's still not possible to select a slash note that is the same as the root. As an example: Em/G is allowed, but Em/E is not. I've mentioned this in the Wish-list previously. It should be a very easy fix.
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I concur, the same chord root note should be allowed as a slash root, particularly in progressions where the bass alone descends or ascends.
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