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Hello there!
With music, I have an other hobby which is photography...
and it is amazing to see how quick new software apear in this field, at this time for organizing big number of photos in a whiff...
I suppose that music software is going to be affected equally in one way or another and would be interested to hear (or at least to read!) what developers and others think about this topic and of course, more precisely, how a program like BiaB could benefit of this evolution.
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Hi. There are already a few threads here on this subject. In another one, I mentioned that AI is not clearly defined, and every program developer seems to be rushing to put the marketing label of AI on the package.
As an example of one that I think does have value, I use a new plugin set for reverb and compression and limiting that says it uses AI. I appreciate that this program gets me very close to the right settings automatically, by analyzing my music and applying what they say is AI.
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I suppose that music software is going to be affected equally in one way or another and would be interested to hear (or at least to read!) what developers and others think about this topic and of course, more precisely, how a program like BiaB could benefit of this evolution.
Bernard
I find it sometimes difficult or impossible to find a style that I really want. At times, this is a benefit because the composed song moves in an unplanned and good direction. Other times, I give up and claim defeat. I think BiaB could benefit from AI by building custom styles in real-time that meet your needs. One of two types of user inputs could be used for this. 1. An audio file of a song whose style you want to replicate could be imported in MP3 or WAV format. 2. A pull-down menu containing hundreds of song titles would allow you to select a specific song. With AI assistance, once the desired audio file is imported or song title selected, the algorthm would analyze it and return all of the instruments and other musical qualities that define that song in the form of a style. You could then use that custom-built style just like you use any of the currently available styles; add a chord progression to it, swap out instruments, etc. In other words, rather than scrolling thru dozens and dozens of pre-built styles and forcing one of them into the song you are creating, it would build from scratch and return the best style that matches the song you are interested in. Icing on the cake would be for the 5 or 10 best fitting styles to be returned for you to audition. Taken to a logical conclusion, this could eliminate pre-built styles altogether. Everytime you want to create a song, the style would be built for you in real-time based on user inputs. Another benefit might be a reduction of the footprint size of the program since the rules to create a style would replace a database of styles. No doubt, this would be a large software effort.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Yes, I can see that. Good suggestion. Please put that as a post in the BIAB Wishlist Forum.
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Very interesting, and great ideas.
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Yes, I can see that. Good suggestion. Please put that as a post in the BIAB Wishlist Forum. I know I have mentioned this idea before in this forum and I think I submitted it into the wishlist bucket but I will submit it [again?] nonetheless.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Hey Bernard, AI talk was real big around here in the first few months of 2023. I went back and found some of our biggest conversations on the topic. Most of these revolved around ChatGPT in generating lyrics and Synthesizer V for generating vocal tracks. Enjoy the reading! Songwriting Forum:Dreamtonics Synthesizer V
AI-written Lyrics
I need some feedback on this AI vocal and Alt Rock track
What is your basic starting process writing in synthersizer V?Recording Forum:Amazing AI Vocalists - What Do You Think?
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I would like to stay in bed and let my AI car drive to work and AI robots do all the work then let google home control things at home for me.
Where will it stop ?
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of course, it wont (stop)... You might adapt, or die...
The first reactions to my mail are very interesting...
Do you think that Chap (gpt!) could write a music melody with a text?
Lets try it!
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I would rather that BIAB handle time signatures other than 4/4 properly.
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I would rather that BIAB handle time signatures other than 4/4 properly.
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Bass Thumper makes a really good point. Often selecting a style for an arrangement is hit or miss.
The interface for audition and selecting is pretty clunky and time consuming.
Sometimes I feel I may select a style because my will to persevere has been crushed by the audition process.
Whether AI will benefit here I cannot say.
Possibly there could be improvements made by the big brains using regular old fashioned intelligence.
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There has already been a great deal of discussion about the way styles, RealTrack and RealDrums are found. I would expect to see some improvement in this area. AI was not even mentioned until now
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I would rather that BIAB handle time signatures other than 4/4 properly. Yes, that was a fight to try and get ! I posted this info in the wishlist creating styles from matching source sample: You have all the RT RD demo wma files maybe you could find a 3rd party AI app that can catalog them then choose the best RTs and RD to replicate as close as possible the source sample ? The best thing about Biab by far is the content and the Al Gore Rhythm to piece it all together, the sooner you get that content out of Biab the more creative control and ease of use you will have, not tomorrow not the next day or year but right now. I found this: https://www.loopcloud.com/cloud/blog/4783-Loopcloud-6-Feature-Focus-AI-Sound-Matchinghttps://jamahook.com/There are apps that will split audio into separate instruments like Spleeter then you could match each instrument from RT RD solo wma demos to choose something close then add these to create a new style. You just need to search and you might find an app that will do all this, maybe even a plugin to work in Biab ??
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Time signatures would be my choice.
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I like a couple of the ideas presented here.
Time signature handling other than 4/4 and 3/4 realistically.
And I really like the idea of build your own style based on a given song and the choice of several variables.
Currently you select a genre...such as country.... then the subcategory of lets say, modern country. You're then presented with a large list of styles that are close.... some not so much.... but the choice becomes a search for the proverbial needle in the haystack. Yes, you can input a song title or artist name but that gets you the same/similar list of dozens if not hundreds of styles to select from. While this is hugely helpful in writing.... it's also at times a stumbling block since ....I don't know about you, but I will sometimes become distracted just auditioning the styles and 15 minutes later.... the idea has kinda faded.... and maybe I'll find something that kinda fits, or not. Building a style from rules and questions asked by the program would be quicker to get to the style that best fits the song style you are looking for. Keep the option of the list as that is often a way I will look for a song idea that gets sparked from just listening and auditioning the styles.
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I don't know about you, but I will sometimes become distracted just auditioning the styles and 15 minutes later.... the idea has kinda faded.... and maybe I'll find something that kinda fits, or not. This statement for me is spot on. In a sense, being overloaded with hundreds of possible styles to choose from is a better problem to have compared to not having enough styles available. But being able to zoom-in on the style you want with no rabbit hole distractions would be better yet . . . In the engineering domain we have the concept of signal-to-noise ratio, S/N, and you want that ratio to be as high as possible. Here the "signal" is the desired style you have in your head when you sit down with BiaB and the "noise" is the hundreds of possible styles that are available for the choosing. This multitude of styles is not only available, but they are all good and are trying to pull you in their direction saying "choose me".
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Let’s stay on the one topic posed by Bernard in the original post of this thread: how could AI help BIAB? The post about supporting time signatures was a hijack of sorts because this is a technical limitation solvable by conventional programming.
Time signatures deserves its own separate thread.
I try to make the best of the situation that I have an idea in my head and in auditioning many possible styles, I can get sidetracked, but that’s part of the creative process to use the tools you have.
Actually, since the beginning of RealTracks in 2009, I rarely use styles. Instead I pick individual RealTracks one by one. However, I would be very supportive of some feature like Shazam in BIAB where I could play or sing a phrase and it would recognize and then recommend a RealTrack or RealDrum and maybe even a collection of them (which is a style). Perhaps AI could assist in doing that and hone in on a style that matches more and more as you go through the process. I think that’s what some of you are suggesting, and that would be fabulous.
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Let’s stay on the one topic posed by Bernard in the original post of this thread: how could AI help BIAB?
A ChatGPT-like verbal interface to the stylepicker. Prompt: “A cheerfully deranged waltz with lots of sloppy horns and a Bossa Nova / Hiphop feeling.”
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Mark, it would take AI to respond to that request. But I think I take your point. Like it does when writing an essay, AI produces nonsense when it has bad data.
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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
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