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Remember all the hoopla two years ago? #776567 09/21/23 06:47 AM Off-Topic
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Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #776609 09/22/23 03:54 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,508 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I suspected that they were a bad idea. I figured it was similar to a pyramid scheme, the first ones in have a chance to make money if they get out in time. The rest of the folks lose. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #776736 09/23/23 06:16 PM Off-Topic
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Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,742 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	People buy into a lot of things that were never logical, pet rocks, ten-dollar jeans that cost one hundred fifty dollars due to some designer name on them. Importance by association...what a concept...lol People are easily manipulated by sales and marketing ploys. Billy www.talking-about-ai.com

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #776746 09/23/23 10:25 PM Off-Topic
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Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #776754 09/24/23 02:35 AM Off-Topic
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Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,817 Pawling New York	Fads and crazes in general amuse me. One that always makes me smile it ripped up jeans selling as new. I saw a girl recently there was more holes than cloth. I said to my wife I hope the young lady got those “half off” One person wears something and everyone else has to have it. I also find amusing what designers pass off as fresh new designs. I saw an outfit the other night in a commercial on TV the young model had a top on with a flowery shaped neck, two sleeves that were different lengths, multiple layers of frilly stuff, and same for the short skirt, and plastic looking boot up to mid thigh. The boots also had a flowery shaped top. I thought if it rained her top and boots would act like a funnel and fill up! Who would wear that and think they looked cool?! Last edited by Rob Helms; 09/24/23 02:36 AM. HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Rob Helms #776755 09/24/23 02:59 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,508 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Originally Posted By: Rob Helms Fads and crazes in general amuse me. One that always makes me smile it ripped up jeans selling as new. <...snip...> There is profit motive behind that. Problem: Jeans are too durable, they last too long, and the customer doesn't buy new ones often enough Solution: Make holes in the jeans fashionable, the jeans are already worn out, and will have to be replaced at least 4 times as many times as those with no holes. Fashion is all about selling new clothes as quickly and often as possible, and it's all about greed and profit. I read an article a long time ago that stated the fashion industry was invented by the textile manufacturing companies. It was a device to sell more cloth and increase their profits. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777109 09/28/23 09:29 AM Off-Topic
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etcjoe Journeyman Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 734 Florida	I said it when it all started that it was "snake oil". But people couldn't buy them fast enough. Crazy world. My wife asked if I had seen the dog bowl. I told her I didn't even know he could.

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Notes Norton #777231 09/30/23 05:43 AM Off-Topic
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,942 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: Notes Norton Originally Posted By: Rob Helms Fads and crazes in general amuse me. One that always makes me smile it ripped up jeans selling as new. <...snip...> There is profit motive behind that. Problem: Jeans are too durable, they last too long, and the customer doesn't buy new ones often enough Solution: Make holes in the jeans fashionable, the jeans are already worn out, and will have to be replaced at least 4 times as many times as those with no holes. Fashion is all about selling new clothes as quickly and often as possible, and it's all about greed and profit. I read an article a long time ago that stated the fashion industry was invented by the textile manufacturing companies. It was a device to sell more cloth and increase their profits. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ One of my biggest customers (based on the footprint of their factory) was a jeans manufacturer. They jumped into the "faded and beat up" blue jean craze pretty early. They'd make brand new blue jeans in one of the departments and then simply move them across the factory to the treatment department, and then put them in a washing machine with pumice stones and run them for a certain length of time. At the end of the cycle, they were tossed into a dryer and they came out as "stone washed jeans" and looked like they had been worn for years. They were then marketed at a premium price. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777253 09/30/23 11:10 AM Off-Topic
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JohnJohnJohn Veteran J Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,946	The very dark side of capitalism. Worn-out overpriced jeans, appliances built to fail in a year or two, new cars with absurd new features and complexity, NFTs, etc.

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777281 10/01/23 03:26 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,508 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Indeed, the dark side of capitalism, and IMO it's gotten out of control. I think it's time to fix the problem, but I have no idea how. Communism is obviously not the answer, it has even worse downsides. The problem is this: When the stockholders invest in a company, they expect their stock value to grow. If the stock doesn't increase in value ever quarter, the stockholders will jump ship and bail out. In order for the stock to appreciate every quarter, the corporation has to make more and more and more profits every quarter. Therein lies the problem. How do you make more profit? Increase your market share, which is easier in the early days, but by the time the market is mature it gets more and more difficult until it's impossible. Increase the population, thus the market, which is something they do. I remember during the zero population growth era, all of a sudden every TV show, comedy, drama, or whatever had a woman saying “My biological clock is ticking”, meaning, I better have children before I hit menopause. Shorten the product life cycle. Here is where fashion comes in. Jeans that don't last long because we distressed them, you can't be caught dead wearing a style that is soooo last year, here are the new colors everyone is wearing, and so on. Of course with appliances you can intentionally make them so they don't last long. Or you can add so many features that will eventually break, that you can make money with repair parts. I drove into the service department of new auto dealership to for a recall, and proudly displayed was a sign proclaiming they sold more parts this year. Same dealership, I told them that the rider's front door wouldn't lock with the key while I was in there. They gave me an estimate of a few hundred dollars to replace the mechanism. I told them I'd come back. I took it to a locksmith, and he replaced a $3.50 part that looked like a bent paper clip. It took 10 minutes, and he didn't even charge a service fee. I've used that locksmith since, whenever I need that kind of service. With capitalism, it's all about profit, not the customer. In a small business, all you need to make is enough money to pay the owner and employees. There is no need for perpetual growth. Growth is good, but as long as the profits keep up with inflation, there is no problem. With a corporation, if the profits only keep up with inflation, the stockholders will sell, and the corporation will go belly-up. Perpetual growth in a closed system is a recipe for disaster. Insights and incites by Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Notes Norton #777290 10/01/23 08:19 AM Off-Topic
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Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,673 Hampshire, UK	Spot on, I'd say. Originally Posted By: Notes Norton Perpetual growth in a closed system is a recipe for disaster. There seems not to be any system that doesn't need growth to function. One of the consequences of that is an ever-growing population. One of the consequences of that is global warming. Another is growing migration. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2026 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777292 10/01/23 08:40 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,942 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,942 Middlesex, NC	Quote: I drove into the service department of new auto dealership to for a recall, and proudly displayed was a sign proclaiming they sold more parts this year. Same dealership, I told them that the rider's front door wouldn't lock with the key while I was in there. They gave me an estimate of a few hundred dollars to replace the mechanism. I told them I'd come back. I took it to a locksmith, and he replaced a $3.50 part that looked like a bent paper clip. It took 10 minutes, and he didn't even charge a service fee. I've used that locksmith since, whenever I need that kind of service. With capitalism, it's all about profit, not the customer. Notes Norton Don't get me started on car service departments or most of the trades now. I had an ignition coil go bad and a fuel pump that was intermittent. I honestly didn't feel like doing the repairs myself so I took it to the dealer. The dealer wanted $1500 for the ignition coil and $1300 for the fuel pump. They priced the coil over $100 and the pump at $500+. I decided to do the coil myself. Under $40 for the coil and 90 minutes total time including going to the store to get the coil. The pump, I had a local shop replace it. Total for the job was $425 and 3 hrs in the shop. My HVAC coil inside sprung a Freon leak. A company came and diagnosed it correctly. $120/service call. Next day, I called a friend who was retired from the HVAC business and has been a teacher in a tech school. He confirmed the leak issue and gave me an estimate of $850 with 2 guys taking no more than about 4 hrs and no cost for the parts due to warrantee. Due to his age he didn't want to do the job. The company that came out first estimated the repair to be over $2200 with a credit for the service call included in that price. I pointed out that the coil was under a 10yr warrantee and shouldn't cost a dime. They said they could give me a $200 credit and refused to itemize the quote. Calls to several other companies resulted in non itemized quotes of $2800 and $3500+. I contacted the company who installed it originally. They were about 70 miles away and said they had to charge round trip. They quoted around $900 estimate. Final bill was around $925. 2 guys, 4 hrs, handled the warrantee. You really have to be careful these days. People will screw you in a heartbeat and tell you that you're getting a good deal. ADD: if you do the math.... the first company was charging $275/hr per person on the job. The last company was charging $437.50 per hr per man. No wonder they didn't want to itemize the quotes and then there's sales tax on the labor in this state that NEVER shows up in a quote like this. Last edited by Guitarhacker; 10/01/23 08:45 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777341 10/02/23 04:00 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,817 Pawling New York R Rob Helms Veteran
Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,817 Pawling New York	My wife and I shop at WalMart. I buy my work clothes there. I get wrangler jeans for $20 Tee shirt for $10 Work Shoes for $25. I have friends who say "I'll never set foot in a Walmart" They head to a department store and pay twice that for the same brand of jeans, or for some whispy thin Tee shirt that won't hold up. I just smile and say to each there own. I also buy Carhart Tee shirts at Home Depot $20 that anywhere else would be $35 to $40. Those stinking Shirts last for ever I have a couple that are 5 or 6 years old and still look great. Price doesn't always determine quality. HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Guitarhacker #777348 10/02/23 07:31 AM Off-Topic
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Byron Dickens Journeyman B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX	Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker Don't get me started on car service departments or most of the trades now. I had an ignition coil go bad and a fuel pump that was intermittent. I honestly didn't feel like doing the repairs myself so I took it to the dealer. The dealer wanted $1500 for the ignition coil and $1300 for the fuel pump. They priced the coil over $100 and the pump at $500+. I decided to do the coil myself. Under $40 for the coil and 90 minutes total time including going to the store to get the coil. The pump, I had a local shop replace it. Total for the job was $425 and 3 hrs in the shop. Here's the other side of the story: Unless your car is has really low mileage, ignition coils don't typically commit suicide. They are murdered. The number one root cause of failed ignition coils is high resistance in the secondary. Usually badly worn spark plugs. I can just about guarantee that it wasn't $1500 for one ignition coil. It was $1500 for all of them and the spark plugs too. A sizeable chunk of that might have been labor, too. Depending on what car you have, some of them are a real MF to get to. No one in their right minds is going to be willing to replace just one coil because they are all the same age and have all been subject to the same abuse. And no one in their right minds is going to replace any coils without replacing the spark plugs too. Anyone who does that is just asking for trouble. Because there is a high likelihood of another coil failing fairly soon. That and the worn spark plugs are liable to take out the new coil as well. The shop has to protect themselves. You're upset about the $1500 estimate? You're really going to be upset if they just chuck a coil in there and send you on your way and a month later your engine starts misfiring again because another coil bit the dust. You'll be back there in a heartbeat wanting them to fix it for free. Either that or you'll go somewhere else and badmouth the first shop because they didn't fix your car right. And on that I'd have to agree with you. They didn't. Because they didn't do the whole job. So any shop with any sense is going to quote you the whole job and decline to do otherwise because they just don't want to deal with the headaches. As far as parts costs, a Motorcraft ignition coil for my car costs $63.79 at one of my preferred vendors while you can get some bootleg aftermarket one for anywhere between $20 and $40. There's a reason for that. Aftermarket ignition parts are garbage. A crap shoot at best If you chucked one bootleg coil at your car and got away with it then good for you but I'm not taking that risk and certainly not if I'm getting paid for it. Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Byron Dickens #777349 10/02/23 07:59 AM Off-Topic
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,942 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker Don't get me started on car service departments or most of the trades now. I had an ignition coil go bad and a fuel pump that was intermittent. I honestly didn't feel like doing the repairs myself so I took it to the dealer. The dealer wanted $1500 for the ignition coil and $1300 for the fuel pump. They priced the coil over $100 and the pump at $500+. I decided to do the coil myself. Under $40 for the coil and 90 minutes total time including going to the store to get the coil. The pump, I had a local shop replace it. Total for the job was $425 and 3 hrs in the shop. Here's the other side of the story: I can just about guarantee that it wasn't $1500 for one ignition coil. It was $1500 for all of them and the spark plugs too. A sizeable chunk of that might have been labor, too. ..... You're upset about the $1500 estimate? I can guarantee you that this was for ONE COIL. The estimate was for 1 coil. According to my diagnostic tool, I told them it was cylinder #8... the hardest one to get to. They quoted radiator fluid, intake gasket, and a load of other sundry items. Claimed they had to disassemble the entire top of the engine to get to the coil. Labor was a fairly large part of the estimate. That was total BS. All I needed to do was to loosen the fuel feed rail to get to the cylinder and fish the rubber boot out and remove the coil. A NAPA coil was reinstalled. I've replaced plenty of coils in the past on this and other vehicles. I do them as needed. I'd had all 8 replaced a few years before, by a shop, and that was less than half the quoted cost from the dealer. And yes, that one did include new plugs. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Remember all the hoopla two years ago? Janice & Bud #777376 10/02/23 02:48 PM Off-Topic
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Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,817 Pawling New York	In my experience it can go both ways! I have seen customers get ripped and I have seen the tech get shredded. Sadly there is a shortage of honesty these day, and a void of integrity. Still there are some great service techs out there. and sadly what we work on today is more complicated, and prone to issues than ever. HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96

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MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

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