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New Multipicker (MTP) is great and overall a huge improvement in workflow.
Please consider removing all other pickers. It seems there is absolutely no need for them any more. Less unwanted clutter.
Thank you.
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+1000, that will help simplifying the GUI, which is much needed. It will also help to avoid confusion, specially for new users.
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+1 When you right click anywhere it asks you if you want RT or other things. All these type commands lead to the old pickers with the old confusing button structure. On one hand you would lose some functionality with this request. But I think overall it would be better. Everything you need will be in the multipicker
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Yes, this would be a good patch.
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I'm thinking (hoping?) that we are going through a transition period, and that this removal will eventuate.
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Do you really think it was not considered? Peter loves redundacy. He is convinced it has value. We talk about this every year when new features are added which improve upon current procedures. The old never goes away.
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Do you really think it was not considered? Peter loves redundacy. He is convinced it has value. We talk about this every year when new features are added which improve upon current procedures. The old never goes away. Unfortunately, old stuff not going away tends to result in more bugs and quirks. The more code there is, the more bugs there are. That's pretty much a given.
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Agreed. KISS 
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Just get it fixed first:
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I disagree, at the moment anyway.
Some functions now require more clicks that weren't needed before. All seems a bit crazy to me, spend all that time giving us the option to open something easier and then adding more pop up windows.
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Lee,
Explain.
What exactly needs "more clicks that weren't needed before".
Perhaps instead of bashing my request, you should weight in on overall benefits of having a complete PGMusic library in a single place within non modal window and give specific suggestion/wish to what bothers you specifically in new MTP (Multipicker) Library.
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Lee,
Explain.
What exactly needs "more clicks that weren't needed before".
Perhaps instead of bashing my request, you should weight in on overall benefits of having a complete PGMusic library in a single place within non modal window and give specific suggestion/wish to what bothers you specifically in new MTP (Multipicker) Library. Not sure how you got the idea I'm bashing your request? I'm just disagreeing because the Multipicker is far from perfect and not ready - if it was then I'd be agreeing with you 100%. If I'm bashing anybody then it's the developers / designers. I can't say what bothers me specifically, I haven't got time just yet to go through it all. A few things from memory - some things that were simply checkboxes, right there on the page are now inside a popup, requiring unnecessary mouse clicks. I love the idea of the multipicker, it's one of their better ideas, but IMO it's still not done very well and therefore, until / if such a time comes that improvements are made then I'd still like to have the choice of using the other options.
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Bashing might not be the right word. Disagreeing without a specific reason. That is what I meant.
" can't say what bothers me specifically"
When you do, post it. If reasonable/beneficial, I will gladly support it.
" it's still not done very well"
Explain. That is what the Wishlist is for.
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What is certain is that we will not go back. The Multipicker is fabulous and the old selectors will remain in place: everyone is happy! Do you really think it was not considered? Peter loves redundacy. He is convinced it has value. We talk about this every year when new features are added which improve upon current procedures. The old never goes away.
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"old selectors will remain in place: everyone is happy!"
I am not "happy" about completely uneeded complexity, that in turn makes software not only more difficult to use, but also less stable / creating internal conflicts (bugs) that vast majority of users will suffer from. It's too big of a sacrifice for those few who can't even express clearly to why they need it (all previous pickers).
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Since Windows 3 we have always kept CTRL C or CTRL V even if there are other ways to do it.
I haven't noticed any more bugs with the Multipicker, except this multistyle thing, but that depends on other factors.
We had the example of Deb, recently, visually impaired, and who is so used to the location of HER buttons. What would we offer her if she could no longer manipulate according to HER habits?
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"old selectors will remain in place: everyone is happy!"
I am not "happy" about completely uneeded complexity, that in turn makes software not only more difficult to use, but also less stable / creating internal conflicts (bugs) that vast majority of users will suffer from. +1 It's also more complexity for the developers to work with, manage and test. More complexity -> more bugs. In many ways we should try to follow the principles of Occam's Razor.
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"old selectors will remain in place: everyone is happy!"
I am not "happy" about completely uneeded complexity, that in turn makes software not only more difficult to use, but also less stable / creating internal conflicts (bugs) that vast majority of users will suffer from. It's too big of a sacrifice for those few who can't even express clearly to why they need it (all previous pickers). I'm basing my answer only on what I have read as I have not received my BiaB yet but I would think that keeping those old pickers in place would be very confusing to new customers. YMMV
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-1
While I generally agree that cleaning up the software should include removing old features that have newer replacements, in this case I feel removing the old pickers at this point would be VERY premature! There will be bugs and they will take time to work out. Let's not remove working features until the bugs are ironed out!
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JJJ,
besides hypothesis, do you have concrete bugs that you are aware that are present in new picker, which are not in any of the old pickers?
If yes, kindly list them. Obviously if all other pickers will be removed, it will have to go through Pre-release testing stage.
Again, I am kindly asking anybody who is against the idea of removing previous pickers, to be very specific and support their views with concrete examples of workflow issues/bugs that are present in new MTP Library that are absent from other pickers. We are not talking about a book or a painting here, but very specific part of software. I want PGMusic to be aware of the specific reasons, to why people think they should leave huge chunk of code in their software, which seems obsolete.
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