I don't understand why my favorite "Load Demo" button is now under a boring right click. Who was this button bothering? I use it all the time, I like loading demos and arranging them, it's my thing.
I would like to keep both as it is . Eg I would miss the options in "other" from the old and much of the way it is set up. I can´t find headline filter for the versions of Xtra PAK and 2024 etc in the new "other" At times Im most interested in what is the newest.
Enter xtra pak in the filter string then sort by set #, see pic:
OK. Thanks Mario, BUT there is still much better overview via the old "other" menu. I even would like it to contain "show only PRO styles"
Matt. open the mixer and right click in the RT area, chose the topoption, you get the old picker, right and chose any other option you get an oddball version of a picker.
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Matt. open the mixer and right click in the RT area, chose the topoption, you get the old picker, right and chose any other option you get an oddball version of a picker.
' Much more detail required please Rob.
There are multiple places anyone can click on the RT area. Where exactly is the real "RT area"? E.g.: "chose the topoption, you get the old picker."
Not here at least, the 'Top Option' seems to be the new Multi-Picker Library
What have I missed? Could you provide an actual step-by-step example?
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AT, and Matt, click in the green text area. and yes, F7 MTP is first but go down to Select RT and see what you get when to menu expands.
Misha it is picker related.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 01/13/2411:53 AM.
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First, this idea of "removing previous pickers" is against PG Music's mission statement. If you read through Band-in-a-Box's Wikipedia page, it says Band-in-a-Box has a long lasting reputation of having "Added features have been grafted on the original application for years which creates a "forest of hidden commands".
Second, people don't come to BiaB for ease of use, they come for RealTracks. If one day Peter Gannon decides to remove all picker interfaces and force users to pick styles using command lines on a Windows cmd terminal, there will still be people like me willing to stay with this software regardless how cumbersome it becomes.
Third, the redundancy of the software is a way of separating the wheat from the chaff. Many young people have once looked into this software and decided to quit, due to its daunting interface and mountains of commands embedded within. Whoever has the courage not being scared off, such as myself, will truly benefit from the power of this incredible software. Keeping the old pickers in parallel with the new one, is a strategy of "Confuse to Refuse", to those weak and shallow young souls.
If they don't want to learn it, then they don't deserve it.
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First, this idea of "removing previous pickers" is against PG Music's mission statement. If you read through Band-in-a-Box's Wikipedia page, it says Band-in-a-Box has a long lasting reputation of having "Added features have been grafted on the original application for years which creates a "forest of hidden commands".
Hmm ... those words on the Band-In-A-Box Wikipedia page does not make it a PG Music "mission statement".
The Wikipedia page attributes the words to critics of Band-In-A-Box.
PG Music have most certainly supported users from a long time back. I have great respect for that, but I do think perhaps they do it more than they should have. I think it's not unreasonable that people with multiple-years-old copies should be expected to update occasionally ... the Pro version is not a massive price at $129 amortised over decade is $13 per year. I do though still think PGM could offer an update amnesty to further encourage historic users to update. Then, perhaps, some of the messier anomalies could be addressed properly, once and for all. What they lose on the amnesty they'd probably save on reduced development time alone.
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PG Music have most certainly supported users from a long time back. I have great respect for that, but I do think perhaps they do it more than they should have. I think it's not unreasonable that people with multiple-years-old copies should be expected to update occasionally ... the Pro version is not a massive price at $129 amortised over decade is $13 per year. I do though still think PGM could offer an update amnesty to further encourage historic users to update. Then, perhaps, some of the messier anomalies could be addressed properly, once and for all. What they lose on the amnesty they'd probably save on reduced development time alone.
There is the program only upgrade for $49 that is available every year while a new release is on sale.
There is a post floating around somewhere where either Peter Gannon or Andrew said the goal is to remove all the legacy pickers once the MultiPicker has all the functionality as each legacy picker.
There is the program only upgrade for $49 that is available every year while a new release is on sale.
That's what I wrote at first, but I checked ... update from 2023 only, not earlier, so the only obvious action is a new Pro. PGM might offer something better if asked nicely.
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Just to add on this, earlier in testing, I wasn't able to view the styles in the Multipicker, and it came back with an error.
It was finally resolved when I changed the screen resolution, which changed the size of the biab GUI, I then reverted back to the original screen resolution, and the styles were still visible.
Now if that problem hadn't been resolved by changing the screen resolution and the old Stylepicker had been removed I wouldn 't be able to view the styles in biab.
I think that eventually the old pickers such as the Stylepicker will be removed, but in the meantime I appreciate PGMusic's cautious approach keeping then in place, until such times in the future they are sure that a problem such as outlined above definitely won't happen.
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Yes, if they are ever going to remove pre-existing pickers, a very cautious approach is required. It's a known fact that the new Multi-Picker has issues with missing and incorrect functionality.
(And keep in mind that some existing users might want to have the option of using the picker that they are already familiar with, just like many still continue to use the original GUI format? Just saying).
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"if they are ever going to remove pre-existing pickers, a very cautious approach is required"
It had been generally agreed that a year, should be sufficient to address all bugs, etc.
The obvious... it will highly unlikely to happen in 2024. But you are saying: "And keep in mind that some existing users might want to have the option"
I assume you are against the idea of removal?
----- Personally, I am highly against leaving anything that doesn't belong in the program. Extra junk leads to more bugs (remember those?), more unneeded complexity, frustrations and maintenance, making sure that all these wonderful old pickers comply with new features and work seamlessly. Why most users have to suffer for several few who are either simply stubborn, or 1-4 buttons that might or might not make it to top level? I don't believe BIAB has the luxury to satisfy few loyals in this market environment where progress matters the most. While BIAB can't modernize overnight, the least what can be done is reduce obsolete & redundant features. To clean it up a bit.
P.S. I believe your analogy with BIG button gui doesn't fit this discussion. That is beneficial to people with weaker eyesight. These 8 obsolete pickers are different beast.
P.S. I believe your analogy with BIG button gui doesn't fit this discussion. That is beneficial to people with weaker eyesight. These 8 obsolete pickers are different beast.
Obviously Rusty you don't have an eyesight problem, If I am reading your reply correctly for some reason or other you seem to want to exclude anyone with eyesight needs (and remember a vast majority of users are in the over 50-80 category and many will have failing eyesight)
From what I see PG is definitely catering for any user with vision problems, and I would totally disagree that these users should be excluded from this discussion.
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Well with due respect I feel I am reading your reply correctly so won't be walking back what I have written.
On a slightly different note, I feel we have to allow PGMusic to do its job and manage it's software as it sees fit.
If they remove the old pickers all well and good, at the moment as PGmusic has decided to let them stay, that is fine by me, doesn't really affect me one way or other as long as I have access to the different features of the software.
I do feel that becoming obsessed with a piece of software such as biab (outstanding as it is) and taking on, making it our lives work to endeavour to get changes done, would not be a mentally healthy way for me to live, and I feel this could well apply to others too.
I love the software (in fact its my number one), but there are other more important things in life, like family and other important aspects of our lives.
I don't think I could listen to the daily news and see how others are only living and dying from day to day, and then have to think to myself,
"Hey I really really have to to post more and more just to get more changes made to biab"
On that note as I feel I have put things into perspective from my point of view, I will gracefully bow out of this thread.
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