I listened to over 10,000 styles. I have found many good music styles. Can help me quickly complete songs using BIAB.
At the same time, there are also some feelings that are similar. Perhaps just adding a musical instrument is a new style. In fact, users can complete this task themselves.
However, EZKEY only includes KEY. And BIAB is complete, with various instruments.
The reason why I think of this is because I spent a lot of time listening to these over 10000 auditions. If we update according to the music genre, we can do less (don't update a few hundred at a time, many of them can't be used), but each one is great, and I think someone will make a purchase.
I'm afraid I do not understand your suggestion. But there are far more than 10,000 styles available if you substitute your own choice for some of the instruments in the premade style, or create one from scratch, and you can save a new combination under a new name.
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So instead of purchasing a Pak that contains a mixture of Rock, Jazz, Country, Folk, Bluegrass, MIDI etc., you would prefer to purchase a Pak that only contained HIP HOP, or DANCE, or EDM music.
The Pak would contain one music category only, and not a mixture of other styles.
(It's been asked for previously too if I recall correctly)
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So instead of purchasing a Pak that contains a mixture of Rock, Jazz, Country, Folk, Bluegrass, MIDI etc., you would prefer to purchase a Pak that only contained HIP HOP, or DANCE, or EDM music.
The Pak would contain one music category only, and not a mixture of other styles.
Yes. This will make the content more detailed.
Now a large number of repeated RTs are mixed together to produce more than 10,000 styles.
If AudioTrack has successfully understood your request, this request does come up frequently. One standard response is that some of the RealTracks work in more than one genre, sometimes quite unexpectedly.
Since this has been suggested for so long, I have to conclude PG Music has made a marketing decision not to do it that way. It's certainly not a technical problem, but it could be an interesting challenge to decide what belongs in each genre.
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If you are suggesting selling everything separately like Toontrack I hate the idea!
If you are suggesting that some RealTracks, advertised as "new", are mainly duplicates of other RealTracks with different fx applied I would like to hear more. I have suspected this may be the case for some tracks.
I think at some point you could buy parts of the XTRA styles discs such as 'pop' or 'country' etc but they were always poor value compared to the whole disc. and aas so many of the styles are 'crossover' having styles in a genre you don't normally use is a way of expanding your musical horizons
If you are suggesting selling everything separately like Toontrack I hate the idea!
If you are suggesting that some RealTracks, advertised as "new", are mainly duplicates of other RealTracks with different fx applied I would like to hear more. I have suspected this may be the case for some tracks.
Selling KEY, MIDI, and DRUM separately for EZKEY is really not good. ----- I just hope that BIAB can also update the style according to the music type. This is a new pattern. The price can be higher, but it is more perfect. It contains the RT of this music type and clear paragraphs. At the same time, BIAB's previous XPro and Xtra can continue to be updated. The two are not contradictory.
Since this has been suggested for so long, I have to conclude PG Music has made a marketing decision not to do it that way. It's certainly not a technical problem, but it could be an interesting challenge to decide what belongs in each genre.
When I was browsing ezkey's content. For example, what kind of music do I want to make, I can quickly find what I want. And it was perfect. For example, I want Latin POP, I listen to the rhythm is the most popular at the moment. But EZKEY, you know, you have to go with the drums, you know, with the BASS, it's a little more difficult.
Also, if I look for Latin POP in BIAB, it comes out very, very much. But it's hard to find the most popular one right now. Because BIAB just mixed some RT together and felt like it sounded Latin. But there are some differences from the Latin style that is currently popular.
BIAB has accumulated a large number of guitar RT, can be arbitrarily combined into a lot of music types, so that the music style will be more and more, now more than 10,000, later will become more than 50,000, more than 100,000. At this time, there will be a growing sense of choice and selection. It's a lot, but it feels about the same.
Therefore, I think BIAB can do a new content, that is, update according to the type of music, there are still new RT, new drums and so on, but it is the same type, such as 10 songs and 20 songs each time, the price can be more expensive. But the content is better.
I think at some point you could buy parts of the XTRA styles discs such as 'pop' or 'country' etc but they were always poor value compared to the whole disc. and aas so many of the styles are 'crossover' having styles in a genre you don't normally use is a way of expanding your musical horizons
I bought the full range of XTRA styles in successive years. It doesn't feel like much progress. It's the same. "New is not better, not updated enough to use" that's how I feel. But more and more music styles, but let me choose when, each time waste a lot of time.
There are a lot of genres, interspersed with different genres, but none of them represent the genre.
Let me give you an example. For example, a guitar-swept RT can do pop songs or electronic dance music. Of course you can. But electronic dance music with a guitar sweep, and then say it's a new style, just feels weird.
1: Guitar sweep is definitely not a feature of dance music, why do you want to put a guitar sweep. 2: Guitar sweep strings put in, is a new music style, I can do it myself.
There are many examples, and the end result is more and more musical styles.
I would love to see a build your own pak option. It would be great if I could just purchase the jazz, funk, and R&B content. I have no use for all the other stuff. I don't have any of the Xpro Styles and it's a lot of money when I only want about 25% of the content. Others probably have different taste from me and they could get what they want with this model.
Not really sure what the OP is trying to say (maybe a bit of a barrier language there). 1) If the OP is trying to say that BIAB needs more variety, well, yes, I partially agree, but I don't see this as a major weakness of BIAB (on the contrary ..). Sure, more variety is a good thing, in general. But some genres are just more difficult to "encapsulate" in single tracks and/or styles. The way I see it, BIAB is absolutely perfect for country, folk, jazz, rock, blues and similar genres. And I hope to the exploration of possibilities in those genres continues. And yes, I do want and need more options within those traditional genres. There's a lot more room for exploration there, a lot left to be imagined. On the contrary genres like pop, electronic, dance and similar ones are more difficult to encapsulate. While BIAB can certainly provide more material related to these genres, and I would be glad about it, I don't think that BIAB is the optimal tool for those genres. There are other tools that are better suited, I think. I could be wrong. But I certainly welcome more variety (but not at the expense of further exploration of traditional genres). 2) If the OP is trying to say that BIAB's offering should be strictly "packaged" around genres, I strongly disagree. Genres are just subjective, fuzzy, ambiguous boundaries that help us navigate a complex musical world, and they are useful to some extent, but they should not get in the way of creating and innovating. They are a musical map, they are not the (musical) territory. Certainly they are not the most interesting part of the potential territory. One of the things that I love about BIAB is that it allows you (or even "forces" you, if you allow it ...) to easily put together things that you wouldn't mix based on traditional, stereotypical conceptions of genres. And I love that. That's when BIAB becomes a creative tool. If packs would be offered on a "genre-specific" basis, that creative potential would be somehow reduced, unless you buy everything (which would defy the purpose of genre-specific offering). Just my 2 cents.
I would love to see a build your own pak option. It would be great if I could just purchase the jazz, funk, and R&B content. I have no use for all the other stuff. I don't have any of the Xpro Styles and it's a lot of money when I only want about 25% of the content. Others probably have different taste from me and they could get what they want with this model.
I'm gigging almost every day this month, so please forgive me for not reading all the follow-up posts in this thread. I hope I'm not repeating too much of the above.
Sure, many of the styles are similar, and some of the differences are subtle, but for good reasons.
I wrote my “styles for sale” a long time ago, when there were very few BiaB styles. It was so long ago I sold them for IBM-Compatible (DOS/Windows), Mac and Atari computers on 5.25” and 3.5” floppy disks.
At the time, I thought perhaps I could write 3 or 4 of them and cover all the basic styles. But as time went on, I would use my own style to make new backing tracks for my duo, The Sophisticats and I found that although a particular style worked, the song wasn't quite right. Perhaps the bass line needed to be funkier — or instead of strings, some horn riffs were better — or the groove was wrong, and the backbeats needed to be pushed behind or ahead of the beat — or the comp needed to be different — and so on.
Now I have 31 style disks, with up to 30 styles per disk. No, they aren't on floppy disks anymore, instead direct download, but I've been calling them style disks for so long, I don't know what else to call them. (Suggestions?)
The result is between my styles, PG Music's styles and others, the style menu is huge, and still there are songs that aren't quite covered by available styles.
To the new user, some styles may sound too similar, but as that user gets more experience with the styles and learns to recognize the differences, he/she will probably come to appreciate the huge menu of styles we have the luxury of being blessed with.
There are way too many styles. As producers we need backing instruments. Once we have real tracks of neccesary instruments styles can and should be produced by the creator. A few demos is all that we need.
As we have more and more styles it has become tedious and frustrating to spend hours auditioning. What is needed is a music based instrument search based on tempo, time signature, style artists etc to speed up the search - it looks like much of this is finally addressed in 2024. I haven't loaded yet but if it works well this will be a major improvement.
I would also like a feature allowing the user to only load desired content to speed up the entire process and avoid excess storage. For example: Why store instruments, styles etc that you never plan to use? I use Bbox to create backing tracks and never use use soloist tracks. I play solos live or record them in my studio.
I have used Bbox successfully for years and upgrade annually. Anxious to see how 2024 performs.
Last edited by dpresley; 12/18/2310:12 PM. Reason: Saw updated features.
I’d prefer to upgrade the basic program each year to get any improved features and performance, such as loading speed, etc. Then, beyond that, be able to select for purchase groups of selected styles that fit my interests and use for live play. I only use real tracks. I just received the 2024 UltraPak. But, like others, I’m covered up with styles I’ll never use. And, I don’t have time for unlimited audition of hundreds of program styles.
I'm diverse enough to not be too hung up on separating genres into their own packs, but I do feel like I'm wasting money on bundles I really don't need.
For example, the bonus 49 pack could be priced much more attractively if it only contained real tracks, drums & styles and left the 'Artist Performance Set 16 (Songs with Vocals), Instrumental Studies 21, MIDI SuperTracks Sets 40,43, Look Ma! More MIDI 12, and more' for those who required that. My style and track pickers have permanently been filtered to ignore midi tracks and that's not about to change. Then there's RealBand and other updates that I will never use but naturally factored into the overall pricing.
If it wasn't for the performance upgrade (what was the point about the 64-bit version in 2020?) and the need to upgrade every year to qualify for Plus Pack I'd be sticking with version 2023. I already skipped getting extra style packs as it just dilutes the style picker and I'll be skipping the 49 pack this year as the price is too high for me to justify with cost of living increases. I'm not wanting to appear unfriendly or anything, just sharing (hopefully valued) feedback with the PGM team. All I want are useful features and additional tracks without too much repetition in the style picker. (And one or two YouTube videos instead of the abomination of repeated content that currently spams my subscriptions page).
1: There are too many styles of music, too many similarities.
I think there are many of us that share this sentiment. I know I don't have time nor the patience to audition 10,000 styles.
One approach to remedy this is to borrow from the inventors of the control knob and volume fader, but shift it from hardware to software.
Think about it. Who has ever complained that they are overwhelmed by the choices of volume, bass, mid, treble, gain, etc on a guitar amp? This is inspite of the fact that there are many more than 10,000 possible combinations on an amp. If you don't like your current amp setting, you simply turn the appropriate knob(s) until you are happy. Easy peezy.
What if the "styles" in BiaB could be similarly user-controlled (in the software) by simply adjusting one or more virtual fader? If you want more of a jazz feel, just slide that fader up.
Of course, the universe of all genres can't be defined by just 8 faders. So if you double-click a particular fader you'd drill down to the next level of that genre.
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