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Garbled fish-bowl sounding track [Resolved] #801314 02/22/24 05:34 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack. But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding. Sounds horrible. How is this even possible? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801316 02/22/24 05:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack. But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding. Sounds horrible. How is this even possible? Tease us with a bit more information. What is the name of the Style? What is the name of the RealTrack? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801318 02/22/24 05:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible. The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801322 02/22/24 06:05 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible. The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here. Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file. I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801324 02/22/24 06:21 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by AudioTrack I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here. Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file. I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: The sound is not only garbled but warbling big-time! It's absolutely horrible. I tried a vibraphone with similar results. No I don't save the song as Audio files. The only time I mess with that is when I export the tracks to Reaper. It seems every time I load BIAB to work with it, it throws a loop at me. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801326 02/22/24 06:25 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	Can you upload the BiaB song file to DropBox or similar and post a link? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801327 02/22/24 06:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,360 Australia	BIABman, What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff. At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard. Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at. I hope this helps, --Noel ★ a recent song of mine: Rise And Shine MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801328 02/22/24 06:39 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Can you upload the BiaB song file to DropBox or similar and post a link? Try this link, it should work: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yu8crjsxzafkhy0pl84v7/Too-Late-Now4-frozen.SGU?rlkey=m5nxeow5n1ltc2nr5j9supoqy&dl=0 A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801329 02/22/24 06:47 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by Noel96 BIABman, What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff. At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard. Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at. I hope this helps, --Noel Thanks for helping out Noel. Yes I am aware of the tempo marking in the track names. I deliberately searched for organ/piano/vibe tracks in the 60 beats area. I don't think this is the problem. I'll investigate Supertracks if I can figure out how. But honestly, I paid for the UltraPak to get access to RealTracks. They aren't working as they should be. Even the original organ was having drop-out issues, that I hadn't even previously mentioned. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801332 02/22/24 07:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,360 Australia	The wav file below is a render of one chorus of your song file. This is how it sounds using the Audiophile version of the program. How does that compare to what you are hearing? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ql831trx5kmivq2gbz973/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-N96.wav?rlkey=flbd341yow92cnzd0zvsvq769&dl=0 --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801336 02/22/24 07:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRender BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801337 02/22/24 08:07 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by Noel96 The wav file below is a render of one chorus of your song file. This is how it sounds using the Audiophile version of the program. How does that compare to what you are hearing? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ql831trx5kmivq2gbz973/BIABman-Too-Late-Now4-frozen_Render-N96.wav?rlkey=flbd341yow92cnzd0zvsvq769&dl=0 --Noel Thanks Noel. Your version sounds totally different to mine. Could you please explain why? By the way there are two issues here. My original had warbling issues which are gone in your version. It's when I started to replace the organ with other organs/piano/vibes etc. that I got really garbled fish-bowl sounding tracks. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801339 02/22/24 08:15 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRender Thanks Audio Track. As I just wrote to Noel there are two issues. His and your versions have not swapped the original organ yet. It's when I started swapping the organ that things really got bad. But your version is playing like the one I sent you guys (like mine). I hope you can hear the big difference between Noel's and yours! A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801340 02/22/24 08:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem? If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track? Last edited by AudioTrack; 02/22/24 08:22 PM. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track AudioTrack #801343 02/22/24 08:32 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by AudioTrack So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem? If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track? Well almost right. Correct it doesn't contain the changed, problem track. I thought you guys would do that. BUT... the organ on your .wav version sounds the same as mine. Which still has warbling issues, which I never was fond of. Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? I'll try to set up the tracks with all the problems and freeze them to send. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801344 02/22/24 08:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,360 Australia	I wonder if you audio settings are the problem. Try this... 1) Under "Options >> Preferences >> Audio" set the driver type to MME and regenerate the song. 2) That you Window audio playback is set to 16 bit, 44.1 kHz. This is accessed through Control Panel. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801346 02/22/24 08:40 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,022 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? Yes, I definitely hear a difference, which I also expect. Noel is using Audiophile, and no doubt is also using much more superior sound equipment than my very basic laptop setup that currently I only have available to try to help. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801347 02/22/24 08:48 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,360 Australia	The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track Noel96 #801348 02/22/24 08:52 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	Originally Posted by Noel96 The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect. Huh? You guys have the same file. Why isn't yours giving the B3's rotating sound then? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Garbled fish-bowl sounding track BIABman #801349 02/22/24 09:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 333	OK here are two files. One with the organ swapped to 1040 Organ. One with the organ swapped to 735 Piano. Both are pretty sick sounding. I have frozen the tracks. It will be interesting to learn what you guys hear on your systems. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v69uuoj2flaih6suoqprb/Too-Late-Now4-1040-warbling.SGU?rlkey=ggmg1h8nlb64qkn18t5voxaa5&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k7sr0jc31we8moouxrsca/Too-Late-Now4-735-piano-warbling-sick.SGU?rlkey=gisprt9qt67me6sn6mk6n9tgx&dl=0 A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

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