|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Mar 2024
Posts: 467
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Mar 2024
Posts: 467 |
I'm new here so forgiveness if this subject has been raised before. With AI platforms such as Suno, Udio and Sonato improving by the hour I ask: Do songwriters have a future? At the moment Udio.com is beta testing and is free to use and I am very impressed with what it can do. Bob Doyle has a very interesting UTube channel and this video my be of interest to BIAB aficionados.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,662
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,662 |
The thing is..... to an experienced writer, currently the AI programs are still fairly obvious. They are full of the kinds of things beginning writers do.... for example.... predictable rhymes, poor rhyme choices, cliches, a lack of original thought, and certinaly they don't have the insight like a human does to create stories and throw in things that on their surface don't seem to fit, but then absolutely do fit.
I like to use AI as a starting point to get me past that dreaded blank page staring me down. From there, I see if I can make that start make sense.
AI isn't going away, and it's going to be getting better. So, my thought is that I should learn to use it as a tool just like any other tool I use to create and record music.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Mar 2024
Posts: 467
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Mar 2024
Posts: 467 |
Good commentary Herb. I feel the same way.
I like what you said about the dreaded blank page.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,018
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,018 |
..........................................
AI isn't going away, and it's going to be getting better. So, my thought is that I should learn to use it as a tool just like any other tool I use to create and record music. Exactly. I remember when Acid loops came out and many musicians were complaining that they would replace them. Loops eventually evolved to the point where many musicians use them today. I think the same will happen with AI. Just remember nail guns did not replace hammers. YMMV
It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,844
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,844 |
Did BIAB replace musicians? No! Er, wait, yes it did!
So, to answer your question..."Do songwriters have a future?" I'd say yes, but maybe not in commercial songwriting! "Would you like fries with that burger?"
But seriously, very few of us songwriters had much of a future in commercial songwriting anyway so AI prolly only affects a small group.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Jul 2022
Posts: 2,715
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2022
Posts: 2,715 |
Songwriters definitely have a future, but one in which they can't make a living from their art.
Before AI, only a few could, and their numbers will drop dramatically.
But that's not the end of the world, it just means that the technical elements of music become less important and ideas, creativity, imagination and fantasy take center stage.
Songwriters are being put more in the role of a producer.
And when the final power goes out, there's always someone who still knows how to play a sing along song on an acoustic around the campfire.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 534
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 534 |
It probably depends on what level of quality the listeners require from song lyrics. If lyrics do not matter in modern music well, who knows. A good songwriter will probably outrank AI generated lyrics considering that AI is learning from what is out there today and what is coming out there as new lyrics generated by AI or todays songwriters. And considering the low quality of much lyrics today the new output by AI will probably degenerate further.
BIAB 2025, Studio One 7 Pro, Song Master Pro, Win11 Home. i7-9700K CPU, 32GB, ESI MAYA44eX, ZOOM UAC-2, Guitar Pro 8, Transcribe, (EZKeys2, EZD3, SD3, EZBass, EZMix3)
Amateur: fiddle, guitar, vocal, beginner on bass.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,438
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,438 |
That part with Rick Beato in the YouTube posted on this thread where he was reciting the lyrics to Across the Universe gave me chills.
SO good, and so relevant.
Yes, that is what great lyrics sound like. Why not try and use that as an example? It's up to you. You can write whatever you want.
I have stated this many times but in terms of commercial music I have read that only a very small handful of aspiring songwriters (about 75 or something in that range) got cuts on Nashville albums each year in the last decade or so and the average take-home pay from songwriter royalties was $90 a year. About 250,000 were trying each year in Nashville alone. Maybe 5 million or so nationwide. Maybe 25 million, who knows. Those aren't great odds.
There is no such thing as commercial songwriting anymore and there hasn't been for a long time. It has nothing to do with AI.
Producers write all of the music if not the artist and there's usually seven or eight people and it's always the same seven or eight people.
On the bright side, for people who want to create their own music, and that's really all there is for Independent artists, the amount of technology to produce your own music is absolutely phenomenal. Mind boggling. Just one example is the Abbey Road collection of plugins. Even the Abbey Road engineers admit that they can't tell the difference between using the Abbey Road plugins and being in Abbey Road. I think that's pretty extraordinary. I think it's pretty extraordinary that Andrew Scheps mixes and masters all of his stuff inside the box with the very same plugins that all of us have access to.
Music today is really what you want to create.
You can literally do whatever you want and put it out there and if people like it they'll listen to it.
This is a great time in history just to focus on producing the greatest music that you possibly can and stop worrying about all of the negative stuff. It will all take care of itself.
Just focus on your tunes, that's what I say.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,604
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,604 |
It's funny ... sometimes I treat the lyrics as a tone poem and don't care about the words; sometimes the lyrics are vital.
I've long loved the lyrics by Pete Sinfield on the King Crimson songs. Edgy, surreal, powerful, attention-grabbing. The first song that came to mind was "The Letters", to which I listened, before checking his song list that reminded me of so many others. There are a couple of other things that stand out to me about the song ... with hindsight it's quite distinctly jazz, and the dynamic range, in comparison with modern productions is absolutely huge, as it was on many of their songs from that time.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,816
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,816 |
That part with Rick Beato in the YouTube posted on this thread where he was reciting the lyrics to Across the Universe gave me chills.
SO good, and so relevant.
Yes, that is what great lyrics sound like. Why not try and use that as an example? It's up to you. You can write whatever you want.
I have stated this many times but in terms of commercial music I have read that only a very small handful of aspiring songwriters (about 75 or something in that range) got cuts on Nashville albums each year in the last decade or so and the average take-home pay from songwriter royalties was $90 a year. About 250,000 were trying each year in Nashville alone. Maybe 5 million or so nationwide. Maybe 25 million, who knows. Those aren't great odds.
There is no such thing as commercial songwriting anymore and there hasn't been for a long time. It has nothing to do with AI.
Producers write all of the music if not the artist and there's usually seven or eight people and it's always the same seven or eight people.
On the bright side, for people who want to create their own music, and that's really all there is for Independent artists, the amount of technology to produce your own music is absolutely phenomenal. Mind boggling. Just one example is the Abbey Road collection of plugins. Even the Abbey Road engineers admit that they can't tell the difference between using the Abbey Road plugins and being in Abbey Road. I think that's pretty extraordinary. I think it's pretty extraordinary that Andrew Scheps mixes and masters all of his stuff inside the box with the very same plugins that all of us have access to.
Music today is really what you want to create.
You can literally do whatever you want and put it out there and if people like it they'll listen to it.
This is a great time in history just to focus on producing the greatest music that you possibly can and stop worrying about all of the negative stuff. It will all take care of itself.
Just focus on your tunes, that's what I say. 👍👍👍 J&B
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Jul 2022
Posts: 2,715
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2022
Posts: 2,715 |
[...]
On the bright side, for people who want to create their own music, and that's really all there is for Independent artists, the amount of technology to produce your own music is absolutely phenomenal. Mind boggling.
[...]
Music today is really what you want to create.
You can literally do whatever you want and put it out there and if people like it they'll listen to it.
This is a great time in history just to focus on producing the greatest music that you possibly can and stop worrying about all of the negative stuff. It will all take care of itself.
Just focus on your tunes, that's what I say. That's the first time that I think that this forum needs a 'Like' button!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,725
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,725 |
I know it is pretty old school but we can still say we like what David has to say. Hell, we can even say we like David.Here is an example.
Hey David, I like what you had to say. Oh, an by the way I still like you!
Contrary to to popular belief, English language still works...lol Go ahead, write a complete sentence.
Cheers,
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Songwriting
|
Joined: May 2024
Posts: 41
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: May 2024
Posts: 41 |
Nashville Staff writers are making money . I guess they'll adjust on the AI that everyone is talking about .
I love Rick Beato , but he reminds me some times of grandpa and all new music sucks...at least on some vids he makes .
Comparing some new tune ( Which I loved ) To John Lennon , apples and oranges. 1965 and now 2024.
I want to buy his stuff on theory . He's real good on everything with music . I'm sure legitimate publishers are getting a ear full on AI ,
Last edited by Elvis Nash; 05/17/24 06:09 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,282
Posts790,566
Members39,854
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean