When BIAB compiles a Real Track, I noticed some chord transitions are not seamless. How do you deal with these?
Can you give any examples?
The most common way is to report this to PG Music Support, as they have created the RealTracks, and sometimes can offer a fix if they become aware of any issues.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
When BIAB compiles a Real Track, I noticed some chord transitions are not seamless. How do you deal with these?
Can you give any examples?
The most common way is to report this to PG Music Support, as they have created the RealTracks, and sometimes can offer a fix if they become aware of any issues.
I double-checked and I guess it happens when BIAB is playing. When it is rendered to a WAV file, it is OK.
Writer. Author. Music Producer. Technologist. Former contributor to Mix, Electronic Musician, Recording, Cleveland SCENE. www.tonythomas.net
I double-checked and I guess it happens when BIAB is playing. When it is rendered to a WAV file, it is OK.
There is an option under Song Settings (Control-N) that might resolve the BIAB playing issue. Try this and see if it makes a difference:
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
When BIAB compiles a Real Track, I noticed some chord transitions are not seamless. How do you deal with these?
Tony, what soundcard and driver are you using?
Those glitches you hear in playback but not in the exported file are often a result of using factory sound and default drivers. They're really not designed to handle the multiple files we run in sync with synths. They can't handle the massive load so to reasonably keep up, they drop data which we hear as pops, drops, stutters and more. However, during the export it has sufficient time to render it properly.
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This could be any of several things, some of which have been identified. Rendering to a WAVE file is done at the speed it can do that, and it would not have the audio glitches that real-time processing has. Some possibilities:
Audio card driver up to date. Windows up to date. Windows update just reactivated a device you don't want, such as the HD speaker in a monitor screen. Yes, Windows updates do that. Try the WAS driver in Preferences, Audio. If you are using the WAS driver, try the ASIO driver. In ASIO, get into the ASIO control panel and experiment with the buffer settings. Raise them to start. The setting AudioTrack showed above: this song has playback problems. Something running in the background; try rebooting and running only BIAB Reduce programs that start automatically on bootup. If you need help how to fix that, let us know. Is it one RealTrack only? Does it happen if you run many RealTracks in the same song? I could go on ...
As Herb said, tell us about your soundcard. Also about your processor type and speed and cores.
Are you anywhere near Rocky River?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
When BIAB compiles a Real Track, I noticed some chord transitions are not seamless. How do you deal with these?
Tony, what soundcard and driver are you using?
Those glitches you hear in playback but not in the exported file are often a result of using factory sound and default drivers. They're really not designed to handle the multiple files we run in sync with synths. They can't handle the massive load so to reasonably keep up, they drop data which we hear as pops, drops, stutters and more. However, during the export it has sufficient time to render it properly.
I am using a Behringer UMC204HD interface and the default Windows drivers. It shows 30ms latency. The "seams" do not show up often, but when they do, they are noticeable and I have a sensitive ear.
Writer. Author. Music Producer. Technologist. Former contributor to Mix, Electronic Musician, Recording, Cleveland SCENE. www.tonythomas.net
This could be any of several things, some of which have been identified. Rendering to a WAVE file is done at the speed it can do that, and it would not have the audio glitches that real-time processing has. Some possibilities:
Audio card driver up to date. Windows up to date. Windows update just reactivated a device you don't want, such as the HD speaker in a monitor screen. Yes, Windows updates do that. Try the WAS driver in Preferences, Audio. If you are using the WAS driver, try the ASIO driver. In ASIO, get into the ASIO control panel and experiment with the buffer settings. Raise them to start. The setting AudioTrack showed above: this song has playback problems. Something running in the background; try rebooting and running only BIAB Reduce programs that start automatically on bootup. If you need help how to fix that, let us know. Is it one RealTrack only? Does it happen if you run many RealTracks in the same song? I could go on ...
As Herb said, tell us about your soundcard. Also about your processor type and speed and cores.
Are you anywhere near Rocky River?
Processor is a Ryzen 5700G. 8 cores. 16 threads. 3.8 GHz base clock.
Rocky River is probably 13-15 miles away.
Writer. Author. Music Producer. Technologist. Former contributor to Mix, Electronic Musician, Recording, Cleveland SCENE. www.tonythomas.net
UPDATE...I just did a test--soloed the drum track:
_BLUETAM.STY
RealDrums=BluesShuffleHard
16 bar 1-2#-5-4 progression
Drums struggle at bars 9-10
I created the above progression, but couldn't repeat any issue with the drums. Was this with or without the playback problems check box selected?
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Stutter means something different to me. I remember when BIAB stuttered because of overloaded processing, often based on other programs running and not the fault of BIAB, but that stuttering caused the beat to falter. I'm not hearing that here. The time seems rock solid. The little hits are likely a quick bounce or double bounce of the sticks on a tom. It adds realism and nuance.
Unless you are hearing something else I'm not, this track sounds fine to me.
What do others think?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
You mentioned previously that "Drums struggle at bars 9-10"
I've listened multiple times. I couldn't hear anything that sounded incorrect at all, and especially anything I would call a struggle, or a stutter, or an odd timing beat. I really just heard how I would expect a real drum kit to be played and how it should sound. There are some lead in phrases at bars 3, at 7 (on the floor tom) and again at 9, but I am sure that these were a deliberate part of the performance.
Last edited by AudioTrack; 06/26/2409:18 PM.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
When BIAB compiles a Real Track, I noticed some chord transitions are not seamless. How do you deal with these?
Tony, what soundcard and driver are you using?
Those glitches you hear in playback but not in the exported file are often a result of using factory sound and default drivers. They're really not designed to handle the multiple files we run in sync with synths. They can't handle the massive load so to reasonably keep up, they drop data which we hear as pops, drops, stutters and more. However, during the export it has sufficient time to render it properly.
I am using a Behringer UMC204HD interface and the default Windows drivers. It shows 30ms latency. The "seams" do not show up often, but when they do, they are noticeable and I have a sensitive ear.
Reading down the posts, it looks like you switched to ASIO. I looked at the specs and it seemed like it uses a proprietary driver, but if it runs with ASIO, that is the driver you really do want to use, certainly not the windows default driver.
I use 44.1k sample rate and 24 bit depth. Nothing is really gained by going to a higher setting unless you are writing for film/TV which want 48k/24.
30ms is not a good latency rate. That is definitely noticeable and if you're trying to play/record in sync, that's nearly impossible. You ideally want to be well under 10ms and preferably below 5ms for the best results.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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