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I've just stumbled across Vocoflex (by the makers of Synth V) and I was wondering if people have found this a useful addition to Synth V?
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Thanks Noel for the tip.
I certainly was not aware of it until your post, and have to say it could be an extraordinarily useful plugin for so many.
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...it could be an extraordinarily useful plugin for so many. Hi Trev. I agree! I've just been watching the below video and it looks like an incredible plugin.
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I've got it, but the initial version ran too slowly to use in realtime.
They just released an update, which does run in realtime on my machine... but with a bazillion dropouts.
The moral? Take the hardware requirements of software seriously.
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Thanks for the advice, David.
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Looked for a demo but no joy. $199 + tax is outside of my "what the heck" limit...
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I should also note that it didn't take kindly to my voice. I think it was too low-pitched and gravelly. Keep in mind that it's intended to give you additional timbres, but not clone voices. It also won't correct accents or mispronounced phonemes. On the other hand, if you're curious, I'll be happy to convert a .wav file for you. Just send me a message. 
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I am amazed how far these synth voices have come recently. Thanks, Noel.
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In the late 1980s, many, many publisher demos out of LA sounded like they were sung by Livingston Taylor. That's because he was the singer. Safe choice, sounded like his brother, James, and surprisingly versatile. How many of those demos became hits for LT? I believe that the correct answer is None. He had a few of his own songs on the charts but none were those countlress demos he sang.
Nowadays, that publishing demo model is mostly dead (not quite but...). I'm betting that well over half the 700,000 submissions uploaded to Spotify every week are using these AI voices and going nowhere. I think they're fine for working out an idea but there's no way in hell I would ever use one on a release to the public.
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........I'm betting that well over half the 700,000 submissions uploaded to Spotify every week are using these AI voices and going nowhere. I think they're fine for working out an idea but there's no way in hell I would ever use one on a release...... Indeed. This AI generated music has made everyone into a "songwriter". The songwriting groups on Facebook are out of control. Interestingly, the music industry professionals, the publishers, the producers of film and TV, are specifically stating now in their listings for material, that if AI is used in any way shape or form in the creation of the music you're thinking about submitting, they are not interested in listening to it. If you do, and they find out, it's an automatic deal breaker and you get tossed out of the publishing company catalog.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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… Interestingly, the music industry professionals, the publishers, the producers of film and TV, are specifically stating now in their listings for material, that if AI is used in any way shape or form in the creation of the music you're thinking about submitting, they are not interested in listening to it. If you do, and they find out, it's an automatic deal breaker and you get tossed out of the publishing company catalog. Do you think that includes use of BIAB?
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… Interestingly, the music industry professionals, the publishers, the producers of film and TV, are specifically stating now in their listings for material, that if AI is used in any way shape or form in the creation of the music you're thinking about submitting, they are not interested in listening to it. If you do, and they find out, it's an automatic deal breaker and you get tossed out of the publishing company catalog. Do you think that includes use of BIAB? no. BiaB is not considered AI. It requires input from a person to do it's thing. I don't believe it includes synth singers either for the same reason. I've had a few folks in the business reviewing my songs comment that the singer was really good on the song. So, as long as the vocal is of the quality of a "real singer" that isn't a deal breaker. They are talking about using UDIO & suno and other AI based apps that generate a complete song from nothing. Those apps tend to have a very recognizable musical and lyrical signature that is easily identified as AI generated. This is a direct copy from a listing that came in just a few minutes ago. Almost all listing now have this line in them. AI ALERT: This company does not accept or sign music that has been melodically composed using generative AI, nor does it accept backing tracks or full instrumental tracks created with AI.
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You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Thanks Herb, for your clarification. This is such a challenging area and a lot rests on definitions. I consider that BIAB is one of the first music programs to benefit from artificial intelligence. Compared to what’s happening in the most recent years, though, and given your definition, I could also see not quite counting it as AI.
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I note that that quote expressly says generative AI, rather than, e.g., weak/narrow AI.
The difference may well prove to be important in the whole matter of "AI".
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Yes. One could argue that’s what BIAB has been doing all along, to a degree.
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Interestingly, the music industry professionals, the publishers, the producers of film and TV, are specifically stating now in their listings for material, that if AI is used in any way shape or form in the creation of the music you're thinking about submitting, they are not interested in listening to it. If you do, and they find out, it's an automatic deal breaker and you get tossed out of the publishing company catalog. When the Librarian of Congress wrote that AI cannot be copyrighted, she was upholding a long standing practice. Machines that can generate music in some form through random action go back a couple hundred years. This got a big boost when electronic random number generation became possible in the 1950s. She broke no new ground, only applied it to new technology. Congress and the EU have hundreds of bills in the works trying to codify this but none of them are saying that she’s wrong. Copyright can only apply to work created by humans. Period. If a work cannot be copyrighted, it cannot be owned and money cannot be charged for it which means that money cannot be raised for it (in the movie industry, by Producers). The immediate aftermath was settlement of the WGA (writer’s) strike followed by SAG/AFTRA. You can use AI to generate ideas (one has never been able to copyright an idea), do research, handle a lot of the drudge work in the creative process etc. but the actual result must come from humans. I have yet to find AI all that useful. Any research task I’e assigned is more wrong than right. I do get some ides but checking facts and plagiarisms takes a lot of time that I was hoping to use for creating.
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Copyright can only apply to work created by humans. Period. I'm guessing here at the root of that. I imagine that the copyright must be made by the creator and the creator must be human. Obviously that means that work created by AI would not be allowed, but also neither would work created by animals, e.g., other great apes or elephants. That would also mean/imply that the guardian of the animal cannot obtain copyright. That all seems logical and reasonable, I just hadn't previously considered it. If a work cannot be copyrighted, it cannot be owned and money cannot be charged for it which means that money cannot be raised for it (in the movie industry, by Producers). That's obviously an interesting challenge in view of the amount of graphics rendering that's now being done (allegedly, at least) using "AI". I guess the lines are between creation by AI and implementation by AI, much as, for example, a watercolourist can get effects by wet-on-wet painting, over which they have only outline control. Yes, interesting.
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Copyright can only apply to work created by humans. Period. I'm guessing here at the root of that. I imagine that the copyright must be made by the creator and the creator must be human. And the creator must be human, because copyright is the ownership of intellectual property, and computers can't own property.
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And the creator must be human, because copyright is the ownership of intellectual property, and computers can't own property. Well, not at the moment anyway 
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Regarding the use of BB. I've had several songs that people specifically asked who was playing the steel guitar or the fiddle. These folks had really good ears. One of those was a guy who owned a couple of commercial studios in NJ.
On the other hand, I've had a few songs that were submitted to a listing returned to me with the comments that the samples sounded dull and dated and that I should get better sounding instruments. Referring to the BB sounds.
And I've had several songs that went in to the listing, was signed, and ended up being in several seasons of two different TV shows and others in movies.
It really depends on a number of variables
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