|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13 |
How do I create a 2-bar beat alternating 6/8 and 3/4 as in Bernstein's "America" from West Side Story
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,074
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,074 |
Unfortunately, I don't believe that this is possible with BIAB. For starters, 6/8 is represented as 4/4 played as triplets. The metronome will count 6/8 bars as 1234 1234. Well, that's the results of my experimenting, anyway.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,635
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,635 |
jvc. i'm not there to see exactly your work flow but in realband (rb that comes with bb) you can have a 'meter map'. in rb EDIT>>>METER>>pop up menu for meter map entry. i just tested a mixture of metronome changing 3/4 to 6/8 eg and seems to work.. but run your own tests. what is neat in rb is in rb tracks you will see the divisions visually within the bar in tracks view. eg 3/4 you will see 3 divisions in the bar and 6/8 6 divisions in the bar. you can have other odd meters also. from what i see the meter denominator can be one of 1 or 2 or 4 or 8 or 16 or 32. for example i ran a test entering 11/8 and rb allowed it and there were 11 divisions per bar. btw you might find this of some interest re songs with odd time sigs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatureshope this helps a tad...and i suggest you talk to pg support also to certify my info. happiness om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/01/24 04:00 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,647
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,647 |
I don't believe there's and reason why you should not set up your own metronome on a dedicated MIDI percussion track, perhaps using 3/4 and putting your own beats in the right places, however I think getting BiaB styles to play nicely with that would be tricky at best.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2026 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,495
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,495 |
I don't believe there's and reason why you should not set up your own metronome on a dedicated MIDI percussion track, perhaps using 3/4 and putting your own beats in the right places, however I think getting BiaB styles to play nicely with that would be tricky at best. This is a great idea of Gordon's! I would also use MIDI drums and create my own metronome. When I learnt the song many years ago, I heard the rhythm as alternating 2 beats in one bar against a triplet melody of two groups of three notes (the compound dulple time of 6/8), and three beats in the next bar (the simple triple time of 3/4). Each bar passes in the same amount of time, though, independent of the time signature. To me, this alternating time signature gives the feel of slowing down and speeding up. It is a great rhythmical device of Bernstein's! The BIAB song file below is a MIDI snare drum playing the alternating 2 and 3 beats on one track. On another track, I have put in a side-stick sound playing six x 1/8th notes. Having these two components on different tracks lets you adjust the volumes between the tracks or mute one of the tracks, if needed.The tempo of the home-made metronome can be adjusted to suit. The 2-bar count-in is in 3/4 because that is the style type that I based the file on. Metronome for "America" from West Side Story (Bernstein) I created this using the Piano roll after loading in the MIDI style METRONM3.STY. Like Gordon, I can't think of a suitable style that would work well enough to provide a comfortable backing.It would be possible to build a MIDI accompaniment based using copy and paste or (maybe) loops.Using the HiQ sounds in BIAB, this might work okay. The bass guitar would match the snare drum track in my file, and and guitar that plays 1/8th notes would probably fit well enough. I hope this helps, --Noel P.S. If you are interested, I've just played around with a little more and created a simple backing. I used a MIDI bass with a HiQ sound that followed the chords (I entered this manually, saved it and froze the track) and then I added a couple of waltz realtracks (4/4 realtracks based on 1/8th notes also seemed worth trying). "America" from West Side Story (simple backing)
Last edited by Noel96; 11/01/24 10:44 PM. Reason: Added P.S.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 13 |
Perfect Noel! Thank you so much!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,090
Posts800,061
Members40,031
| |
Most Online44,367
Mar 4th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean