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December! December is here. What did you think I meant?

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Good one Mr Triple J, you had me all excited for a while!!


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Originally Posted by musiclover
Good one Mr Triple J, you had me all excited for a while!!
Sorry ML! I'm a brat!

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Patience, it's coming.
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I looks like PG Music's website agrees with you John! It's here.


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Wow! everyone's favourite early Christmas present to themselves has landed.


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Well, you didn't have to wait long. They must've been listening grin

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It looks like they are embracing AI.
That's a good thing.


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
It looks like they are embracing AI.
That's a good thing.

The key question that needs to be answered is how intensive will the workload be on lower ended PC's when using stem separation.

I'll wait for a few weeks to upgrade until other users chime in on the AI stuff. Not really interested on those who are running high ended units but would like to see how lower ended PC's perform.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Land
Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
It looks like they are embracing AI.
That's a good thing.

The key question that needs to be answered is how intensive will the workload be on lower ended PC's when using stem separation.

I'll wait for a few weeks to upgrade until other users chime in on the AI stuff. Not really interested on those who are running high ended units but would like to see how lower ended PC's perform.

HP Envy DV7, Win 10 Pro, 16 GB, 8 cores, I7 3630QM CPU, SSD drives (2).

I have just got the 2025 biab upgrade and have tried it on Dylans Blowing in the Wind.

My Desktop will be 15 years old next february, has an old quad core Athlon 945 processor with an SSD drive, it took about two minutes and twenty five seconds to create the Stems, As most users will have a more recent powerful PC, it should be a lot quicker.
Have to say I am very impressed how the upgrade is running here on this old pc

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< The key question that needs to be answered is how intensive will the workload be on lower ended PC's when using stem separation. >

My PC specs are in my signature and I've not had any issues with the Stem Splitter.


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< The key question that needs to be answered is how intensive will the workload be on lower ended PC's when using stem separation. >

My PC specs are in my signature and I've not had any issues with the Stem Splitter.

Charlie: About the same as mine so that is good news.


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Originally Posted by musiclover
Originally Posted by Joseph Land
Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
It looks like they are embracing AI.
That's a good thing.

The key question that needs to be answered is how intensive will the workload be on lower ended PC's when using stem separation.

I'll wait for a few weeks to upgrade until other users chime in on the AI stuff. Not really interested on those who are running high ended units but would like to see how lower ended PC's perform.

HP Envy DV7, Win 10 Pro, 16 GB, 8 cores, I7 3630QM CPU, SSD drives (2).

I have just got the 2025 biab upgrade and have tried it on Dylans Blowing in the Wind.

My Desktop will be 15 years old next february, has an old quad core Athlon 945 processor with an SSD drive, it took about two minutes and twenty five seconds to create the Stems, As most users will have a more recent powerful PC, it should be a lot quicker.
Have to say I am very impressed how the upgrade is running here on this old pc

Musiclover: Not as powerful as my old one so that is good news.


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I can tell you from using stem splitters in Song Master Pro and Presonus Studio One 7 that splitting stems takes several minutes on my rather powerful PC. It is the one audio thing I do that takes the longest time, so I don't think the times you report are unreasonably slow at all.


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Stem splitting of a typical song takes about 20 seconds. I would say the range is 10-40 seconds.
Machines with more CPU scores are faster. My intel i7 with 14 cores takes 15 seconds on a typical 3-4 minute pop song.

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Upgraded. Here's hoping it helps keep the lights on for another year at PG Music ❤️

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I think the stem splitter is very fast I get 16-22 seconds for the 7 songs I tried so far.

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Yes, it seems they are using Stems Pro from Zplane, it's really fast compared with other similar algorithms and it works great, even with older material.


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That's great news!


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Kind of surprised there isn't a Pinned announcement of the new release in this forum yet (and maybe some clean up of other pinned items).
Just mentioning .. since every regular update seems to get one


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