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Here's an original of mine, "What do You Say".

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Soundcloud audio:
https://soundcloud.com/st-josephs-social-club/what-do-you-say?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

I used BIAB for drums, bass, guitar and the background aaahs, which I auditioned to fit the piano, which I'd written in EZKeys. I and a Fiverr freelancer, Yamille, sang. I added a bit of Orange Tree Samples' Passion Flute, and I mixed everything in Mixcraft, using various basic VST fx.

For verb I used the "Abbey Road" technique https://westlakepro.com/abbey-road-reverb-trick/

On the master buss I used upward compression to reveal detail, using a preset named, oddly enough, "Reveal Detail" in ToneBooster's multiband compressor, dialing in the wet / dry mix to taste. I'd suggest trying the trial version. Used judiciously, it can be a nice magic fairy dust plugin. I fed its output into a normal compressor (Tokyo Dawn Labs' free Kotelnikov) set very lightly, i.e. ratio of 1.5, with the threshold set so that gain reduction ranged between 0 and -1-ish.

Whatever your thoughts, I'd like to know what you listened to this on (cans, ear buds, studio monitors, grok box, hi-fi, phone speaker etc). So tricky trying to mix fort so many devices!

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Sweet sounds, Ken. Excellent mix and I really like all the pieces you've mixed in there. Each one does so well to lift the song. Cool lyrics, and a terriric job with the synths, especailly those neat harmony lines. Because you asked, I listened on 3 of the speaker configurations I use here. It's sounds good on all three, but my headphones got me closer. The final test would be the car speakers.


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Really good texture throughout…I listened on wired earbuds…liked the supplemental voice…a very interesting—as well as enjoyable— listen.


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lingyai,

This is a lovely sounding track! All the different elements you've pulled together in this work/fit seamlessly! IT has a beautiful melody and the vocals are very well done!

Thanks, TB

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Really interesting song and production. Plus thanks for that Abbey Road technique link.


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Sounds great Ken.
A super smooth song
Great vocal and backing band
Super mix
I really liked this one


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I'm listening on pretty decent headphones (Audio Technica ATH 350X). I'm really enjoying this song!

I love this genre of music and play it fairly often.

Your arrangement is excellent. The mix puts everything exactly where it belongs. It's a very nice band you have assembled - BIAB is great!

The vocals are crisp and clear. It's easy to discern every word with no effort.

Hope you post more music in the future. Happy New Year.

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Thanks Marty! Actually no synths involved... the backgound aaaah harmonies were Realtracks.

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Thanks for listening and feeding back, Tano!

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Originally Posted by Torrey Bliss
lingyai,

This is a lovely sounding track! All the different elements you've pulled together in this work/fit seamlessly! IT has a beautiful melody and the vocals are very well done!

Thanks, TB

Thanks for the kind words, Torrey. I'm not going to tell you how many iterations it took to decide which elements to include/ exclude. BAIB threw out so many good suggestions it was hard to choose!

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Originally Posted by WaoBand
Really interesting song and production. Plus thanks for that Abbey Road technique link.
Thanks WaoBand. The Abbey Road trick has been a game-changer for me. Really excels when you want to get a vocal out of your face without obvious trickery. Often gives good results which you don't actively hear until you mute it

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Excellent composition. I enjoyed it immensely. Mix sounds good and I love those harmony parts.

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Really lovely, intimate tune. Love the you-are-there, up front feel of the production. Nicely textured vocals, and those harmony parts are very inspired. (There's an ever so slight vocal glitch at 1:08 on the "will" lyric that may be fixable)

I use Abbey Road Reverb Plate on just about every vocal, but had not used the trick you referenced. Will give that a shot. Have been using a side chained compressor to cut the vocal FX a few dB, which has a similar mud-clearing effect. But your trick is definitely worth a listen...

THANKS for posting!


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Hi,

This is a very promising song. Loved the piano intro and rich backing. Also the vocals are excellent.

Lyrics - a suggestion:
You seem to have one too many words in many of the lines which stops the flow and rhythm of the vocals.
- just a suggestion on a very good song.

Well done.

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Thanks Ezekiel. I'm glad you liked it!

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Really lovely, intimate tune. Love the you-are-there, up front feel of the production. Nicely textured vocals, and those harmony parts are very inspired. (There's an ever so slight vocal glitch at 1:08 on the "will" lyric that may be fixable)

I use Abbey Road Reverb Plate on just about every vocal, but had not used the trick you referenced. Will give that a shot. Have been using a side chained compressor to cut the vocal FX a few dB, which has a similar mud-clearing effect. But your trick is definitely worth a listen...

THANKS for posting!

Thanks, Don, that's validating, I'd sweated and fretted over the harmonies (which I've only started trying to write recently) and vocal mix (vocalists should not mix themselves), so I'm glad to worked in your book!

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Originally Posted by NigelSpiers
Hi,

This is a very promising song. Loved the piano intro and rich backing. Also the vocals are excellent.

Lyrics - a suggestion:
You seem to have one too many words in many of the lines which stops the flow and rhythm of the vocals.
- just a suggestion on a very good song.

Well done.

Best Regards
Nigel

Thanks very much, Nigel. There are indeed some metre "cowlicks" in there. I'm glad the backing managed to poke through, initially I'd almost "released" it as just an instrumental.

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