Say I have a sequencer or sampler loaded on to a blank utility track, and I want to render its audio output to another track. Or maybe I have something being generated off a MIDI chord track, and I want to bounce that audio on to a separate track? Is this possible?
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I tried that, but it won't drag anything into the WAV drop (since it is not really generating audio from within the program, I'm assuming).
Specifically, what I'm doing at the moment is loading the Loopcloud Sounds plugin as a VST3 onto an otherwise blank track (no MIDI or audio). When I press play, the plugin starts running and playing back the audio of the loop I have selected. You can see the VU meter on the track moving etc. I want to get that output into another track within BiaB.
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So the LoopCloud is a VSTi, try load Element VSTfx on an Audio track then add LoopCloud VSTi and try render, make sure you hook the audio out up to the output. EDIT: as I remember you may have to add a small bit of blank wav file to make it an audio track to be able to load an fx plugin.
How do I get a blank audio track in BiaB? Should I generate an RT, and delete all its contents or something? Fwiw, I tried loading element onto a blank track with nothing generated on it, and now it won't generate and play anything.
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< Is it possible to record the audio output of a track to another track within BiaB? > Yes it is
<< I want to render its audio output to another track. >> This is possible. Assuming you're playing the sequencer live and want the audio to print to another track
<<< I have something being generated off a MIDI chord track, and I want to bounce that audio on to a separate track? >>> Yes, this is possible.
All three of the scenarios you describe can be done solely within BIAB. There are multiple methods. Two common ways are:. 1. Use a virtual cable 2. I have the RealTek sound card and it has the 'record what you hear' feature. Use Mute to silence everything but what you want to record from the Mixer.
Using either of these will do these task you listed. I tested this morning with rendering output from one track to another with audio, Midi super track, and Midi. No issues with any format.
Tried that, but the program would not "drive" the plugin with its loaded loop when pressed play (maybe because it was the FX version of the Element?). Even when I pressed play within the plugin itself, it also did not play. When I had the Loopcloud Sounds VST3 loaded, it played the selected loop when I hit play in BiaB as well as when I started and stopped it within plugin itself.
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Regarding the method that you mute everything but what you hear,.. that seems a bit limiting because I want to hear everything in context before I render. The other method sounds very promising. Can you please explain what's going on in the second screenshot?
I'll look into the virtual cable thing ASAP.
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Thanks, but once I'm in Reaper, there are a zillion much simpler ways I can accomplish this anyway (and so much more, which is why I'm so eager to use the plugin in Reaper rather than working in the main program. I tried using the plugin again today, and when I tried hit generate to send the audio and MIDI to Reaper for under a dozen tracks, it started generating dozens and dozens of empty MIDI items or something and promptly crashed my project).
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In the second screenshot, I converted a midi track to audio in order to confirm the recorded audio was exactly the waveform as the source track. It was, other than seen in the screenshot, amplified a small amount. This is the same to live recording into the Mixer or moving existing recorded media to another track.
Rendering a mix in BIAB is creating a stereo mix of all unmuted tracks in the BIAB Mixer. That being the case, when you state you want to hear everything in context before I render. Simply record normally and if you want to move the live recorded track, you can copy/move or bounce or render.
BIAB is a very robust digital multi track recorder. In multi track recording, a bounce is playing previously recorded tracks by recording a mix of these tracks onto another track or tracks. Live instruments can be added during a bounce as well.
To my understanding, it seems you want to hear everything but only record your live playing. Is that correct?
In the second screenshot, I converted a midi track to audio in order to confirm the recorded audio was exactly the waveform as the source track. It was, other than seen in the screenshot, amplified a small amount. This is the same to live recording into the Mixer or moving existing recorded media to another track.
Rendering a mix in BIAB is creating a stereo mix of all unmuted tracks in the BIAB Mixer. That being the case, when you state you want to hear everything in context before I render. Simply record normally and if you want to move the live recorded track, you can copy/move or bounce or render.
BIAB is a very robust digital multi track recorder. In multi track recording, a bounce is playing previously recorded tracks by recording a mix of these tracks onto another track or tracks. Live instruments can be added during a bounce as well.
To my understanding, it seems you want to hear everything but only record your live playing. Is that correct?
Thanks Charlie, I guess I'm having trouble articulating what I'm aiming for, so I may try to record and upload a short video later explaining it in more detail within the program.
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<< To my understanding, it seems you want to hear everything but only record your live playing. Is that correct? >> If this is correct, you can record using input monitoring and headphones, pan everything except the track you want to record to the hard right. Pan the track you are recording hard left.
Record the track
This will record a stereo track with the instrument you're recording on the left track and all of the other instruments recorded to the right track. BIAB stereo tracks are LR mono tracks.
Open the recorded track in the Audio Edit Window Select the whole track Open the Edit button Select Convert tracks In the Convert tracks window, enter 200 for the left track and 0 (zero) for the right track and enter This will create a centered, mono track of the stereo left track recorded instrument
This is one of several methods to bounce tracks in BIAB.
Tips: mute any unnecessary instruments and reduce the volume of the panned right instruments to reduce possible cross talk into the left panned track. Recording may take a bit of trial and error to get the setting exactly correct.
EDIT: We were posting at the same time. Yes, a video would be helpful.
Yeah, as I said, I'll try to post a video later, but in brief, say load I have a sampler like Loopcloud/Loopcloud Play/Waves CR8. These have access to libraries of loops I have on my hard drive that you can load up within the plugin. Then, when I hit play in BiaB, it "drives" the sampler despite the fact that there is no MIDI or audio on the utility track the plugin is loaded in and will follow the tempo (not sure what the technical term for this is, MIDI clock maybe?). You can also quickly load and swap loops while the whole thing is running. The advantage here over importing the loops into the BiaB loop folder (or adding a file association within the BiaB's loop utility) is that a) most of these loops are not Acidized, so you have to set the tempo for each one, b) it's slow and cumbersome anyway, especially if you are trying to swap and audition loops on the fly c) some of these samplers (CR8 especially) have all sorts of audio effects and filters the parameters of which you can mess with during playback to get all sorts of interesting sounds.
Now in a DAW, I could simply send the audio from the track the plugin is loaded on to an armed receive that will record the audio output of whatever I'm doing in realtime.I can even loop and record takes etc. Or say I want to create a number of risers, impacts, etc in Soundfactory for transitions between various sections of a track, but each one is to be different so I would have to worry about switching patches and whatnot and also there's the issue of the resources having that extra track might take, and the ever present likelihood that at some point the extra tax on said resources might cause a crash. So I would prefer to have an audio track for all the risers and other transitional FX, after which I could get rid of the plugin once these are created and bring it back as needed if I want to add or change anything later.
Does that make more sense?
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Yes it does. I don't have a sampler like Loopcloud/Loopcloud Play/Waves CR8, but it seems to me it's the same to BIAB as recording any live performance.
For instance, recording a keyboard live, the musician can push buttons, change styles, change the key, use registration buttons, change patterns but BIAB only records the output of the keyboard, I'm thinking it would be same for a sampler live performance. Make all the changes in the performance you want, but BIAB only records the final product sent to the output. What's being recorded will be audio and not midi data.
External sound sources can be recorded into BIAB using the Thru Channel or any track by setting input monitoring and arming that track.
If you make a short video, I can see your process and see if we can make it happen in BIAB.
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