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I have a question. Let's use guitar as an example.
RT: 3182

I like the strumming of this guitar very much. I use it often. But it will be boring if I keep strumming. Is there any way to make 3182 have some changes. Make the whole music more rhythmic?
Sudden pause? I don't think it's good.
Or find a guitar similar to 3182, play it at the same time, use F5 or multi-track mute, and then suddenly appear in some sections, but I think this is also very difficult.

I also tried to do some interleaving cooperation with NI guitar. However, the tone changes too much and it doesn't sound good.

When you encounter this problem, how do you solve it?


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I remember doing that, but I did it in the DAW with 2 tracks with different guitars and used the volume automation lanes to reverse on the other track. I tried to get that in Biab but it's not there yet frown
You can also make up a UserTrack of the two or more RealTracks playing.
You can also do with electric Direct Input guitars, just use the same FX for both.
Maybe you could get Biab to intelligently mix the tracks chosen tracks while generating.

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Here's some easy methods to quickly increase dynamics, groove, rhythm and keep the song from being boring.

Here's ways to quickly change the arrangement of a song in BIAB:
1) Search and display a list of Styles that use RT3182

2) Audition Styles from the list of Styles that use RT3182

3) Convert your song into a MultiStyle song using Styles from the list of Styles that use RT3182

4)Modify and customize the new MultiStyle song as desired

5) A quick and easy arrangement modification on the RT3182 Track in the Mixer, open the RealTrack Medley Maker tool where you can use any of the 4,099 RealTracks to mix and replace RT3182 to play in different preset patterns.

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Originally Posted by musocity

You may not understand what I mean.
What I want to say is whether it is possible to have several variation options for each RealGuitar like NI guitar, and then we can make changes in the rhythm of the details in the paragraphs. I can control it.

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babymusic. Your screenshot is a perfect display of a MultiStyle in BIAB.


<< What I want to say is whether it is possible to have several variation options for each RealGuitar like NI guitar >>

Yes it's possible and the fact of the matter, it appears BIAB is considerably more versatile than NI and will be a real instrument played by a real session player.
RT3182 is used in 19 Styles that can be mixed and matched in any order of any measure of an SGU file. Repeated as desired and 100% modifiable by the user compared to the 4 pattern variations in the NI display above.


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Originally Posted by Charlie Fogle
Your screenshot is a perfect display of a MultiStyle in BIAB.
RT3182 is used in 19 Styles that can be mixed and matched in any order of any measure of an SGU file. Repeated as desired and 100% modifiable by the user compared to the 4 pattern variations in the NI display above.

hello.
RT3182 is used in 19 music styles, and the music style has changed.
But RT3182 has not changed. How to make RT3182 change, this is my question.

Music style change and RT3182 change are not the same thing.


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<< But RT3182 has not changed. How to make RT3182 change, this is my question.

Music style change and RT3182 change are not the same thing.>>

RT 3182 has changed. What the session musician has recorded for PG Music isn't a single strumming pattern for all of the music he recorded that became the audio data in the RealTracks folder. He recorded many different strumming patterns, chord changes, chord progressions so that he- the musician, can play the same instrument, which can be used and sound correct and match the playing style of many different genres of music.
By changing MultiStyles, not only will his playing vary, but the playing style surrounding his playing and even some instruments will change which will vary the dynamics, rhythm, tempo, key, feel and groove of the music as a total.


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Originally Posted by musocity
This is what I'm talking about:

That is to say, the BIAB program is currently unable to do so.


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Originally Posted by Charlie Fogle
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But according to your changes, wouldn't everything have changed?

Or, would you be willing to make a video?


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<< But according to your changes, wouldn't everything have changed? >>

In the example I gave, yes, it's possible some of the 19 Styles would change everything other than RT3182. But understand that RT3182 is the same instrument being played by the same session musician while sounding completely different in one of these Styles than it sounds in the current Style you are using.

BIAB doesn't play the same patterns over the same as NI guitar does. RT3182 has hundreds of variations recorded for many different genres of music. There also may be a RealTrack recording of that same instrument being played by that same session musician in a fingerpick style, a crosspick style or even a soloist. BIAB can access all of those different recordings in a single SGU file and on a single track.

As noted, all of these different instruments can be loaded onto a single track and mixed/ matched, rotated between all of the varied instruments to make a completely unique interleaved performance track.


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I said a long time ago rather than have instrument name "26 Acoustic Guitar", "28 Clean Electric Guitar" etc.. to name them the actual instrument "Fender Strat" etc.. they are recorded Direct Input so you can add any FX you like and no matter what style/pattern playing you use it will fit with the same tone where you have changes on the track same as you can change patterns seamlessly with NI Session Guitar.

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Originally Posted by musocity
I said a long time ago rather than have instrument name "26 Acoustic Guitar", "28 Clean Electric Guitar" etc.. to name them the actual instrument "Fender Strat" etc.. they are recorded Direct Input so you can add any FX you like and no matter what style/pattern playing you use it will fit with the same tone where you have changes on the track same as you can change patterns seamlessly with NI Session Guitar.

I will add not only what guitar was used but also what pickup(s) as each pickup and combination of pickups will change the guitar's tone.


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I'm going to try to clarify something, knowing I'll be wrong or misunderstood, or likely both...

RT3182 is Quinn Bachard playing acoustic rhythm guitar in a "grunge" style with an even feel at 90 BPM. He changes up his playing a bit, and he'll do shots and holds, but there's not a LOT of variation. I *believe* this is true for all styles that use RT3182.

If you filter the RT picker by "Bachard" and sort by tempo, you can see that Quinn also plays several other acoustic guitars with an even feel at around 90 BPM. These would good candidates to audition for a suitable change of pace from RT3182. For example, RT3708 is Quinn playing acoustic rhythm guitar in a "90s" style with an even feel at 90 BPM. Others by Quinn include fingerstyle acoustic guitar. Acoustic guitars by other-than-Quinn might also be suitable if you filter by "guitar, acoustic" instead of "Bachard".

Just my two cents.


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Originally Posted by babymusic
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But according to your changes, wouldn't everything have changed?

Or, would you be willing to make a video?

As noted, in that one example, the Style changes would possibly change everything, but that is a simple example without any relation to a real project. If a project only needed to effect the RT3182, then that can be accomplished in BIAB.

I don't normally do videos but this would be a good subject to consider. I'll look into the possibility.


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Originally Posted by DC Ron
RT3182 is Quinn Bachard playing acoustic rhythm guitar in a "grunge" style with an even feel at 90 BPM. He changes up his playing a bit, and he'll do shots and holds, but there's not a LOT of variation. I *believe* this is true for all styles that use RT3182.
If you filter the RT picker by "Bachard" and sort by tempo, you can see that Quinn also plays several other acoustic guitars with an even feel at around 90 BPM. These would good candidates to audition for a suitable change of pace from RT3182. For example, RT3708 is Quinn playing acoustic rhythm guitar in a "90s" style with an even feel at 90 BPM. Others by Quinn include fingerstyle acoustic guitar. Acoustic guitars by other-than-Quinn might also be suitable if you filter by "guitar, acoustic" instead of "Bachard".

Thank you for sharing.
These are some search tips in BIAB.
This is the experience of an old BIAB user. For a new user or a non-native English speaker, it may have a big impact.
I will try your method. But I think it will take a lot of time to search and listen.

In addition, I can think that in order to achieve some changes, let multiple guitars go together, mute this one, play that one, change some in the right position, and be comfortable, this requires some luck to complete.


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Originally Posted by musocity
I said a long time ago rather than have instrument name "26 Acoustic Guitar", "28 Clean Electric Guitar" etc.. to name them the actual instrument "Fender Strat" etc.. they are recorded Direct Input so you can add any FX you like and no matter what style/pattern playing you use it will fit with the same tone where you have changes on the track same as you can change patterns seamlessly with NI Session Guitar.


Because when naming RT, BIAB may consider search more, so it is like this.
The biggest problem at present is that it is difficult to quickly select some similar groups that can be interspersed with each other. This is very difficult. This is determined by the BIAB software itself.


NI guitars can do this quickly, but the sound is completely different from BIAB guitars.


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Originally Posted by babymusic
..NI guitars can do this quickly, but the sound is completely different from BIAB guitars.
We can learn from Ni Guitars and apply this to future RTs then we could do this in Biab, change the same guitar to another pattern/style, either manually or Biab could do it. Then if you search "Fender Strat" it will show all patterns/styles that can be used on the same track, even switching from solo to rhythm.
I remember changing a strumming guitar to finger picking in sections.

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Originally Posted by musocity
Originally Posted by babymusic
..NI guitars can do this quickly, but the sound is completely different from BIAB guitars.
We can learn from Ni Guitars and apply this to future RTs then we could do this in Biab, change the same guitar to another pattern/style, either manually or Biab could do it. Then if you search "Fender Strat" it will show all patterns/styles that can be used on the same track, even switching from solo to rhythm.
I remember changing a strumming guitar to finger picking in sections.

I think BIAB has created a lot of valuable REALTRACK, but it has not been really used well. There are hundreds of GB of RT content on the hard drive, but it cannot be quickly found and flexibly used. This is a sad story.


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<< The biggest problem at present is that it is difficult to quickly select some similar groups that can be interspersed with each other. This is very difficult. >>

<<< I think BIAB has created a lot of valuable REALTRACK, but it has not been really used well. There are hundreds of GB of RT content on the hard drive, but it cannot be quickly found and flexibly used. This is a sad story. >>>

This is incorrect. There are many different search tools and techniques that are unique to BIAB and can't be learned from a DAW or Midi Software program because they do not function the same as BIAB.

Here's an example how to find the 206 RealTracks (26 Guitar) by Quinn Bachand, narrow the search to the 12 string guitar RT's, load all 18 of the 12 string guitars on two tracks and audition each in order for three bars of the current Chord Chart. This allows the listener to hear each of these instruments played independently in sequential order over a 32 bar Song.

Note that the RealTrack Picker and the RT Medley Maker's rows line up so the user can easily see and input the RealTrack numbers.

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