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I thought that was the timeline Thanks, Robert  It is, Timeline has several roles. 1) Time 2) Loop indicator as in all DAWs 3) Unique to BB (a place to currently show chords and in the future edit them)
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To me the radio bar, should only be a status window, that will show you what track is currently selected and can be selected to change the current track. But if you have more than 1 track selected, does not work so well. I actually like the Navigator slider better, and should be with transport. So maybe best to remove! Robert
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I'm following this thread with great interest. I think some very good ideas have been presented.
I have a question regarding replacing the current Timeline with a Navigator slider bar. With the Navigator slider bar will there be a way to easily navigate within middle choruses? With the current Timeline view part markers can help a user identify choruses and see how much of the timeline each chorus occupies. A user can count part markers and then click in the space between two part markers to fairly accurately navigate to a specific point within the song project.
Typically a DAW illustrates song project time sequentially. Band-in-a-Box can mimic a DAW and display a song sequentially by unfolding a song. But, the default display for Band-in-a-Box more closely mimics sheet music with intro, chorus and end and normally has more than one chorus. How will the Navigator slider bar display multiple choruses?
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Jim - replace "navigator" in Minimalistic View with slider. Other views don't have that. This becomes useless with ~ 70 bars as I've shown in one of the videos in this thread.
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@jpettit, 1) I hope that the Main program menu is still at the top Left side? 2) As for the Title & Meter (I'm guessing Volume meter?) 3) I feel that it would be best if the following Icons were in that location: File Open
Save
Save Asand the rest of what PGM uses, should be optional to use on not. 3a) All should be on by default and let the user turn them off if they want. 4) As for the Style,Tempo/Key/etc, Transport, snap, Loop & Counter. they all need to be one Grouping and can be relocated or floated if needed. Clarification on the things should be made:4) The Gray buttons you have for Tracks, Chords, Edit, Mix & Musicians, are they the same as what I put in my mockup. 4a) If so then also make that a group that could be moved or floated, and also if it is, then what is the Navigator? 5) FYI, the only reason I put them on the Left, is because, having things on both the top and bottom, only makes less room for the current view ares (Wide but not to tall). 5a) I Never saw in any DAW or Program for that matter with it set to the right. With the exception of it having Both sides with something other that the Main view. Mostly everybody's monitors today are wider that tall. 6) I feel that it may be best to first to define what groups should always be together (example: File.Save/Save as.......) and Transport controls, what should be with them? 7) Is the Time/Loop the timeline? and What to you mean by (Editable Chords)? 8) In the Options Details, I also feel that is where some of the editing could be done (Think of F5 on steroids) 9) Once we define the Main groups, then, I think we could better define the overall Main layout. 10) Where did the Radio bar go to? Robert 1) Yes of course (like all apps), nobody is challenging that. (Well actually I talked to Peter three years ago about 650 items in the menu. He explained why (people who use screen readers) and they have been improving slowly over the years.)2) Title = Title to song. (no change) Meter = I/O levels (no change) 3) Yes, you mentioned that, and we differ. (That is what I called a custom Toolbar) 3a) OK, it might be challenging for them to satisfy all old UI and new ideas as a default. I assume they would offer multiple themes. 4) Yes, your groups and mine are subtly different. PGM will ultimately decide. There is goodness in a few things being anchored. 4a) Navigator is a term used by some programs to show an "overview". I personally do not use it, but Rusty feels strongly about it. 5) All panels can show and hide. The nice thing about modern software is "panels" are really always there and populated with the current details. Modern Panels open much quicker than old Dialogue Windows and are much less intrusive. 5a) Most DAWs put detailed options/properties on the left and browsers/selections on the right. Some Video programs (and BB) put properties in the right. 6) Yes, I like that idea, but the customers will not always agree, and PGM is the final designer. All this is just food for thought. 7) Yes read: 1) Timeline 2) loop start/stop indicator 3) Chords that are associated with the bar-beat. In DAW language a Chord track (BB currently shows but does not allow to edit) 8) Exactly. Thing more than F5, think Chord Settings, Bar settings, Micro Chords, etc. They are all properties of a bar and beat. 9) Maybe, a) keep in mind we are just making suggestion, b) we will not all agree, c) a picture is worth a thousand words. PGM will not do a complete rewrite. They will look for things that are easy to do with the current code base. 10) Yes they are redundant. I do like your idea of showing current track while in chord view. Track view is obvious. Piano and score are also already shown. They give options to switch tracks so maybe that is another base global idea. Earlier you asked about the grey buttons. Yes, they are in essence the same as your left buttons (main views). Chord and Track are the same, Edit is dynamic in that it opens a view for whatever track type you are on. Thís assume PGM will not support all the edits being accessible though the Tracks view at least for now, The mixer assumes they will not add the fuller mixer capability to the track view at least not yet. The Musician button is my "Common sense" name for the Multi Picker (you are picking musicians to generate). Finals thoughts: As mentioned in my first post, the graphic layout is only half of the User Experience story. The other half is consistency with behavior (things you do with your hands). (see workflow videos in OP) The input from everyone has been really good, but I would like to hear from more customers as well as more from PGM especially Peter. Thanks
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All..
so far various aspects of a gui have been presented.
but i hope you all agree with me there is a need also to
come up with a set of criteria how a final design should be evaluated ?
us on this thread are just a very small microcosm of the user base.
this is what...from my experience in industry...is the gui
'elephant in the room' as things can sometimes get emotional.
so what should those criteria be ??
i hope everyone ccontributes what the criteria should be...
ie an open collegial discussion.
heres my input..a new gui should be judged on the following...
(feel free to disagree/add your own criteria)...
does the new gui do the following..
1..bring even the most sceptical people to open the app and investigate
further ?...its sorta akin to one going past a restaurant and
being impressed with the 'storefront' then peeking in the windows
and smelling some aromas/looking at the menu etc.
2..cut down the learning cycle for new users ?
3..does the gui cut down the amount of time users might have to pore
through the manual ?. << reason for this being many people just dislike
going through manuals. just human nature.
4..does the gui cut down the size/complexity of the user manual.
eg my wife and i just got a nice new clock radio.
we love it...but the manual is difficult to read due to print size
plus it gets pretty complex in places.
ie press this button then that button to do xyz etc.
5..will useing the gui and the app lead a new user, when leaving
go 'super wow i'm gonna tell my friends setting up project studios
about this app." ie the user has a happy experience.
6..does the gui incorporate fly by tips that can be turned off
once a new user gets experience useing the app.
7..does the gui allow for 'tips of the day'? which i find usefull
when i'm useing rb for example.
and does the gui allow access to a deeper menu of tips ?
8..can the gui be configured to the users likeing ?
ie flexibile ? but how far should this be taken by the designers ?
in order not to bloat the app so its difficult to maintain by the app
programmers ?
9..how much does a user like the icons in the app ?
are there too many ? and have too many icons be used that might confuse the user ?
10..finally how much does the user like the overall look
of the app ? does it allow the user to work fast without haveing
to be diverted from the creative process ?
has too much 'flash' been used.
11..does the app cater to people with vision problems ?
(i'm sure ive missed some important judgeing criteria above.)
i think the reader will get the gist of what ive detailed and hope the
reader agrees that the above are important appropo questions to be asked.
as ive said its darn difficult and even impossible to keep everyone
happy. lets also consider that pg apps support various languages..
and thus various cultures around the world will be useing the app.
so i ask should a set of gui judgeing criteria be discussed also ?
how is any final gui design going to be evaluated 'objectively'.
just my thoughts.
Simon...do you think judgeing criteria are needed ?
om
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2..cut down the learning cycle for new users ?
8..can the gui be configured to the users likeing ?
ie flexibile ? but how far should this be taken by the designers ?
in order not to bloat the app so its difficult to maintain by the app
programmers ?
9..how much does a user like the icons in the app ?
are there too many ? and have too many icons be used that might confuse the user ?
10..finally how much does the user like the overall look
of the app ? does it allow the user to work fast without haveing
to be diverted from the creative process ?
has too much 'flash' been used.
om That's why we are discussing a new GUI #8 Again that is our intent! #9 That's why I suggest that the current icons be used, and Let the user change them if he/she wants #10 What ever it finally looks like, I'm sure it would be much better than it is currently is and PGM will never satisfy everyone. as to the creative process, only the person using it can answer, so... again "PGM will never satisfy everyone". as to 'flash' only the person using it can answer, so... again "PGM will never satisfy everyone". With all of these mockups and suggestions, PGM really are the only one that has the finial say as to how it looks and functions. FWIWI'm sure that "good change" may not come by 2026 ( Could be wrong), I think that maybe PGM could also consider this: Release BiaB the same as always, with fixes and maybe some minor changes. While working on a New multi platform BiaB, but rename it.....PGSP= PG Session players or SSP= Studio Session players Much like Cakewalk did with it's product when changing the name to Sonar. Also, PGM always offers new "xxxPAC" each year, using the best "Studio Session players" in the music world.
I would also like to see if they could repackage some of their PAC's, make:In styles include soloist, and Multi Drums Blues styles Country styles Rock styles Bluegrass styles On...&..On... Or do it by: Detroit styles (Think Motown) Alabama styles (Think muscle shoals) Nashville Styles (Think Memphis mob) La Styles (Think Wreaking crew) Chicago styles (Think Chicago the band) USA styles British styles On...&..On... Perhaps also offer each pack as an audio pack. Doing this would be easier on some peoples wallet! and over time, they may purchase more Audio styles, eventually having everything. I feel that this would help with the new renamed BiaB I say this because, I know of some people that do not like BiaB in it's current form, hence the do not own it. If they hear that PGM has released a new software, they may just take a look at it and try it. Robert
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If you look as many of the other DAW user forum's, you will find even though the DAW-XYZ ( can be any DAW or product on the market). If they have let's say 60,000 users, only about 30 to maybe 200 users (may be more or less), will even care and look at at a thread on the GUI. It's a very small percentage. Just look an this site, very few are looking at this thread. That should not stop change, PGM need to press forward. Robert
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*For the record.
Cakewalk transition to Nu Sonar.. While they re-drew UI to vector, leaving 95% of UI logic intact. As it was mentioned by their chief engineer, they left most of the legacy code. Some from decades ago. No Mac for Cakewalk/Sonar as well, even when millions of $ were dropped in it in the past 6+ years.
BIAB is FAST and overall pretty stable. As an end user I see no down sides for old code, if it allows to modernize UI and enhance workflow the right way.
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If you go back years in the forum and look at the posts about this "GUI" this has all been said before. To get at least themes and layouts like other application had you will have to go back to the 2000's and start there as things these days in other software are just too far ahead of what can be conceived. It would be impossible I realize to go too modern in one step (as below videos show or as you have in the JUCE BB Plugin), but you don't just want to do another redecorate then in another 10 years do another. At least try and get Themes and Layouts, this will let users customize what they need, simple for learning, complex, high DPI, multi monitors, touch screen etc.. PG will have to make some up that comes with the product as a choice rather than me having to make them as in the past with color/animated icon sets and other GUI elements colors etc.. for users, and maybe one other user made one up to share. Current Modern DAW GUI User Total CustomizationI'm not saying to go this modern, that is understandable with the Delphi, but there might be some ideas there, you don't want to be spending too much time having to do it for Mac also. Custom Menus might be too big a step, but basic Themes and Layouts should do for now for most users.
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Robert/All.
thanks for your comments re my 11 points Robert which are based on many many meetings re gui's when i worked in industry ie..this isnt my first rodeo re the subject...
of course its pg's final decision.
they were just a summary of things ive seen various people want in
the past in any gui.
and i'll leave it there as i dont think i can contribute
further ideas.
happiness.
om.
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Indeed all these ideas and far more have been raised before. There are some newer folks here so I'll just add a quick observation on the history. After many years of requests and suggestions, the GUI was given a substantial improvement at the end of 2017, for BIAB 2018. I liked several things about how it was done: - They left the old GUI available, so you can still toggle between them by using Ctrl+T or clicking on the little icons. People could adapt to the new one (like I did overnight) or continue to use the familiar one. Using the new GUI was aided by creating your own collection of icons in the Custom Toolbar.
- They increased considerably the space available for the Chordsheet View.
- They began making more of the windows separate for resizing or new placement.
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Couple of ideas for panels:
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Jim - replace "navigator" in Minimalistic View with slider. Other views don't have that. This becomes useless with ~ 70 bars as I've shown in one of the videos in this thread. I will work backwards from your response. " This becomes useless with ~ 70 bars" Please clarify "This". I'm assuming you mean the current Timeline Bar becomes useless when a song project is greater than 70 bars. How will the Navigator Bar or Navigator Slider Bar make song project navigation easier? How will the Navigator Bar or Navigator Slider Bar visualize multiple choruses? "Other views don't have that" I'm assuming you mean a Timeline Bar. Presently the Timeline Bar is available in the Chordsheet, Tracks, Notation and Piano Roll windows so it is available in the majority of the windows. I know a mock-up is just that, a visual presentation of an idea. I'm not attacking your ideas. I'm just trying to better understand them and to help address some of the possible pitfalls. One possible way to enable the Timeline, Navigator Bar or Navigator Slider to be more precise would be to enlarge or magnify part of the line to display bar information such as bar numbers, part markers and chords. The how many bars per line preference setting could also determine how many bars are magnified. That way the user could move the magnifier and easily determine where they are at within a song project.
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Jim, in minimalistic view, what you call a "time line" (under transport buttons) was done in a manner of navigator. Unfortunately it was poorly executed and is pretty much useless as navigator or timeline on medium size project of about 70 bars or more. Don't confuse with a Big button view (the one I presume you are using), where the timeline actually serves a purpose. What I proposed is do a true Slider Navigator instead of "whatever you want to call it" item below transport buttons in minimalistic view and do a full length time line across the screen (like one in Big button view). Does that make sense? ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/wM2PJPrS/slidertime.jpg)
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How about the "Timeline/Navigator Bar" stay full length just under the top menu? Could that help. Here is my mockup showing how the work area works ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/63h0hSf.png) Everyone's suggestions are great, let's see what PGM developers come up with., I'm sure that it will be a mixture of everything. Robert
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Navigator is not a timeline. Robert, have you used a navigator in DAW? I use it all the time, for years and find the tool absolutely brilliant. While it (navigator) will have limited usage in Chord View, all other linear views will have full benefit. P.S. There is a larger conversation about transport functions in BIAB that plays a role in this. It's a much deeper subject that deserves a separate discussion. Think about why there is no "rewind" button
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I think there has been too much neglect rather than taking a purposeful interest in UI improvements over the years, instead of GUI requests lately bringing about this current thread having to be the catalyst to forced change. It should be a normal thing as you can see the big leaps forward each time in this video rather than just adding "New Features" as selling points concentrate on the UI evolution constant improvement rather the leaving it in the past for so long with too much neglect. I said about jail breaking the dialogs for years and then had to force this finally to come around and now it's common, I should not be here now having to force normal standard things all the time, it makes me feel like some crazy person and takes a lot of energy out of me because there's always big fights and resistance through lack of understanding.
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Think about why there is no "rewind" button Good question. Because rewind to zero was hard coded into generate? Because rewind to last click spot was defaulting to zero if no click? I wish it would stay where I was working. I will click RTZ if that is what I want.
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in minimalistic view, what you call a "time line" (under transport buttons) was done in a manner of navigator. Unfortunately it was poorly executed and is pretty much useless as navigator or timeline on medium size project of about 70 bars or more... If it is this navigator bar: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29978&filename=2025-01-20_15-33-56.jpg) then yes, it is useless, as you cannot easily see the song current position while the song is playing. I asked for better contrast many years ago, which would be easy to implement, but this suggestion seems to have been ignored. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29979&filename=2017-01-21_07-57-43_suggested.jpg) See this post from 2017: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=391369#Post391369
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This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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