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Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack #851891 05/14/25 07:44 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Hello, I have BiaB 2025 on a Windows 10 PC connected via a Roland Duo Capture EX digital audio interface to a Clavinova 307, which I use both as a MIDI sound generator and as a master keyboard. Here's a new problem with BiaB 2025 that I didn't have with BiaB 2020: from time to time, when BiaB plays a Realtrack instrument, I hear also the notes of the underlying MIDI track played by another instrument. Here's a short video where the notes of the guitar Realtrack are also played by a MIDI piano: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dnBn1ho_H7j6zlvpmSP64IMsCQ2P9fwC/view?usp=sharing However, in Track Settings / MIDI channel, I set the channel of the underlying MIDI track to "Do not reroute" (screenshot below) How can I prevent BiaB from playing the underlying MIDI track of a Realtrack, especially with an instrument other than the one in the Realtrack! Thanks in advance for your advice. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851901 05/14/25 10:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,652 Wauconda	Looks and sounds to me like that is indeed an Audio RT playing Guitar on that soloed track. Why do you feel it is midi? Last edited by DrDan; 05/14/25 10:50 AM. BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851903 05/14/25 12:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,018 Hamlin NY	Which RealTrack(s) have this problem? If you let us know we can check it out ourselves. Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I listened and I can't tell if it is some other instrument playing along OR the guitar or the guitar's effect(s). It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #851910 05/14/25 03:02 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Simon - PG Music Veteran Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,766 Victoria, BC	Strange, it does sound like a piano playing along with the guitar. Originally Posted by MarioD Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I would do a Return To Factory Settings/ALL. I work here

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851911 05/14/25 03:10 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DC Ron Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,213	This is likely of no help whatsoever, but this happened to me once when I left Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar standalone active. No matter what BiaB played, there was a MIDI piano following along. Drove me NUTS for a few minutes. Hope your issue is something simple, too. DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851912 05/14/25 03:20 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,337 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Mario, in the video, it's Guitar 2 (not visible on the screen shot). It does sound like a piano playing the MIDI. The MIDI with some RealTracks is not meant to be heard; it is to show notation for educational purposes. As to what is doing it here, I think we need to have your song file posted somewhere that we can download. I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851915 05/14/25 03:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,199 Australia	Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. These are tracks #6 and #7 (from the top of the mixer). Since the original Melody and Soloist tracks were originally designed for user-input and playable notation, it's possible that the volume control affects the audio as well as the underlying MIDI. If Guitar 2 is on the original Melody or Soloist track, try moving it to a Utility track and erasing it from its present track. That might be make a difference. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #851931 05/14/25 04:59 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Simon - PG Music Veteran Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,766 Victoria, BC	Originally Posted by Matt Finley I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. That gave me a thought - it is possible to enable Playable Realtracks on an RT track then specify all notes as Playable without creating a mute region, which would cause the notes to play through Sforzando while simultaneously playing the underlying RealTrack. That's an awful lot of hoops to jump through for this to happen though. Originally Posted by Noel96 Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. In the video it shows that the track in question is Utility 1. I work here

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack DrDan #852015 05/15/25 11:31 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par DrDan Looks and sounds to me like that is indeed an Audio RT playing Guitar on that soloed track. Why do you feel it is midi? Hello Dr Dan, For my part, I can hear the guitar from the realtrack, but I can also hear a piano playing the same notes! Can't you? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852019 05/16/25 12:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD Which RealTrack(s) have this problem? If you let us know we can check it out ourselves. Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I listened and I can't tell if it is some other instrument playing along OR the guitar or the guitar's effect(s). Hello Mario D, In the clip I sent, it's a "Utility" track that I used to add a realtrack guitar solo to my song. Note: I have this problem with all the "Utility" tracks on which I add instrument solos. And clearly, it's not an effect of the guitar audio track, but rather the notes of a piano in MIDI: while I did choose "Do not re-route" in Track Settings, MIDI Channel, and I hear a piano with the guitar, if I now go to Track Settings, MIDI Channel, and choose channel 10, I hear drums with the guitar! For example, listen to: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lYTP-Bg0aWZKGCNY-nrd8_e08B1vCzgT/view?usp=sharing In fact, it's as if the underlying MIDI notes of a "Utility" realtrack are played by default when they should NOT be played by default! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852020 05/16/25 12:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music Strange, it does sound like a piano playing along with the guitar. Originellement posté par MarioD Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I would do a Return To Factory Settings/ALL. Hi Simon, Yes, I could Return to Factory Settings/ALL. But, while I've used this option maybe 2 or 3 times in 5 years with Band in a Box 2020 (my previous BiaB version), I've already used it 5 or 6 times in 5 months with Band in a Box 2025! I wonder if I didn't get a buggy version of BiaB 2025 because there are several things that are wrong: - already, during installation, two files were corrupted and didn't install (\bb\Styles\BLANKE16.STY and bb\Demos\MIDI Style Demos\Misc\BlankE16.SGU), - I encountered a lot of problems that I didn't have before with the MIDI relationship between BiaB and my Clavinova (my previous messages), - the list of my songs when I click on the "Songs" button often takes almost 10 seconds to open, - I hear these MIDI notes on Utility realtracks, - lots of other little issues I haven't noticed along the way ... I'm wondering if I should abandon my hard drive version and download an online version from the PG Music website. With Wi-Fi, it will take me 2 days; maybe with an Ethernet cable it could be faster. Do you think it's worth a try? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack DC Ron #852026 05/16/25 02:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par DC Ron This is likely of no help whatsoever, but this happened to me once when I left Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar standalone active. No matter what BiaB played, there was a MIDI piano following along. Drove me NUTS for a few minutes. Hope your issue is something simple, too. Thanks for the idea, DC Ron. But I don't think it applies to me: - For MIDI, I'm not using a virtual instrument, but an external hardware sound generator, in this case my Clavinova CVP 307, via a digital audio interface. - In the mixer window, I can see that there's no instrument plugin attached to the Realtrack in question. Do you think I should check anything else? Best Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Matt Finley #852028 05/16/25 03:09 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Matt Finley Mario, in the video, it's Guitar 2 (not visible on the screen shot). It does sound like a piano playing the MIDI. The MIDI with some RealTracks is not meant to be heard; it is to show notation for educational purposes. As to what is doing it here, I think we need to have your song file posted somewhere that we can download. I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. Hello Matt, Here's a link to download the track corresponding to the two videos I sent: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WSo2gGbdVl4Itjdc7WMl6ShvOXxZZ7Oi/view?usp=sharing Please note, I don't encounter this problem every time. So, I don't know if you'll encounter it too. However, could you try to see if you can also hear the drums when you select channel 10 in Track Settings, MIDI Channel for the Guitar 2 (or Guitar 3, or Vibes 2, or Vibes 3) realtrack? If so, do you think this is normal for a realtrack? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #852030 05/16/25 03:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Noel96 Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. These are tracks #6 and #7 (from the top of the mixer). Since the original Melody and Soloist tracks were originally designed for user-input and playable notation, it's possible that the volume control affects the audio as well as the underlying MIDI. If Guitar 2 is on the original Melody or Soloist track, try moving it to a Utility track and erasing it from its present track. That might be make a difference. Hello Noel, As you can see from the last screenshot I sent, the track I'm having the problem with is a "Utility" track: it's not the Melody track or the Soloist track. But your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! As I was saying to Mario D: it's as if the underlying MIDI notes of a "Utility" RealTrack (but may be also a classic RealTrack) are played by default when they should NOT be played by default! Isn't there a setting somewhere that prevents this? Best Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852034 05/16/25 05:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,018 Hamlin NY	Have you tried unplugging your Clavinova CVP 307? Or setting its CC2, CC7, CC11 (all volume controls) to zero? My thought is maybe your Clavinova CVP 307 is seeing the MIDI data and playing it. I say this as when you delete the MIDI data nothing plays. I have used RTs along with a lot of MIDI sound sources, software and hardware, and never had this problem. I am glad that you found a workaround. It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852038 05/16/25 05:27 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music Originellement posté par Matt Finley I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. That gave me a thought - it is possible to enable Playable Realtracks on an RT track then specify all notes as Playable without creating a mute region, which would cause the notes to play through Sforzando while simultaneously playing the underlying RealTrack. That's an awful lot of hoops to jump through for this to happen though. Hello again, Simon, I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting. Specifically, what do you mean by "specify all notes as playable without creating a mute region" and how do I do it? But in any case, is this compatible with the fact that I'm using an external hardware sound generator and not a virtual instrument controlled by Sforzando? Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852050 05/16/25 02:57 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,199 Australia	Originally Posted by Lazy Bird ...your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! This sound like an inconsistency (and maybe a bug). My take on it is that the underlying MIDI notation for a Realtrack (generated on a Utility track) does not have its volume output either disabled or set to zero during the generation process. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852106 05/17/25 10:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD Have you tried unplugging your Clavinova CVP 307? Or setting its CC2, CC7, CC11 (all volume controls) to zero? My thought is maybe your Clavinova CVP 307 is seeing the MIDI data and playing it. I say this as when you delete the MIDI data nothing plays. I have used RTs along with a lot of MIDI sound sources, software and hardware, and never had this problem. I am glad that you found a workaround. Hello Mario D, Thanks for your suggestion, but it's difficult to disconnect the Clavinova since I also use it as a sound generator for "true" MIDI tracks like the melody track, and as a master keyboard if I want to record via MIDI. And while it's usually possible to control the volume of a virtual instrument and the control knobs are relatively easy to find, I don't even know if it's possible to control the volume of a MIDI channel on a Clavinova, and in any case, I don't know how to do it on my Clavinova: to configure MIDI on the Clavinova CVP 307, there are several screens that I don't really understand (screenshots below)! I'll try, but I'd much prefer if PG Music explained what's going on and found a solution... 😊! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #852107 05/17/25 11:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 136 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Noel96 Originellement posté par Lazy Bird ...your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! This sound like an inconsistency (and maybe a bug). My take on it is that the underlying MIDI notation for a Realtrack (generated on a Utility track) does not have its volume output either disabled or set to zero during the generation process. Yes, Noel, that's what I think too. But in that case, there must be a way to fix this problem in Band in a Box. Unfortunately, for now, I don't see it. In any case, reverting to the factory settings isn't enough: I still have this problem with MIDI notes playing on realtracks, but this time I hear isolated MIDI notes (one note about every 10 to 20 bars) on the usual realtracks (not the Utility Tracks)! And in this case, the solution of erasing the underlying MIDI notes from the realtrack doesn't work! But it's less annoying because it's just a single note every now and then. I wish PG Music could find an explanation for this. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852108 05/17/25 11:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,018 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted by Lazy Bird Hello Mario D, Thanks for your suggestion, but it's difficult to disconnect the Clavinova since I also use it as a sound generator for "true" MIDI tracks like the melody track, and as a master keyboard if I want to record via MIDI. ............................... If I read this right your Clavinova is a sound source for only MIDI, thus audio is being played by something else, Maybe an audio interface, i.e. soundcard? If that is correct there is one thing you can try that may indicate where the problem is and that is use the BiaB Coyote WT for the MIDI sounds (I know they will not sound anywhere as good your your Clavinova) and turn off your Clavinova. Listen carefully. Do you still hear the piano? If yes then the problem is with BiaB; if it is sending MIDI the CoyoteWT will play it. If not then the Clavinova is reading the MIDI file and playing said piano part. Good luck It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

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