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Who here is using a music distributer to get their music out there? I've been looking into them, and to be frank, they all kinda sound like the mafia...especially reading reviews. Is there a truly artist-centered distributer who isn't just trying to get rich off the backs of multiple artists? I was hoping to distribute through Wavlake (decentralized Nostr for music) but I can't seem to get it to work for me. So...back to square 1. Who do you like? Who do you trust?
Thanks for your input.
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The big question is...well several actually.
What are your goals? What are you trying to do?
Is the cost/ vs return, going to make it worthwhile to pay for the service?
Is it monthly or an ongoing/ yearly subscription?
Is it a straight up flat fee or do they also take a percentage at a certain number of streams?
A large number of the platforms pay .003 cents per stream so it takes thousands of streams per month to break even.
Be smart about your money.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Is there a truly artist-centered distributer who isn't just trying to get rich off the backs of multiple artists? You make that sound like a bad thing. Their goal is to make money. My goal is the same. Who do you like? Who do you trust? No one. So what? The second you have made the decision to go with a distributor, you are in the Music Business. The only way to succeed is to take it seriously. Read the T's and C's (terms and conditions) of every distributor so that you understand them and the differences. Failure to abide by them can cost you a lot of money and cause you to lose the rights to your music. Asking advice of strangers on the internet is the second worst way to go about this — not asking is even worse, however. What we use and why is not going to apply to you—unless it does and there's no way you are going to know. Get an education. I suggest becoming familiar with Krystal Delgado and her three YouTube channels. She is actually an entertainment attorney and has videos on the T's and C's of all the popular services—and they're all scary so pay attention. As Herb has indicated, know and understand your goals. The rest of it is to understand the pitfalls so that you do not become yet another casualty. There are way too many books out there, nearly all are outdated but All You Need to Know About the Music Business: Eleventh Edition by Donald S. Passman is less than two years old and the only one I recommend currently—I like the Kindle edition as it lets you jump around. Not that much applies now but as you become successful, more and more will become relevant. If the only thing you learn is when you need an attorney and what to ask if that day happens, the $19 spent will save you hundred$. Knowledge is power; ignorance is grief and talent only goes so far. You will need to work at this to succeed and there is no shortcut around that. So jump in and learn to swim with the sharks.
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Hey Guitarhacker,
I'm mostly interested in getting exposure and listens from people who would appreciate the kind of music I write. So I'm trying to invest in that without wasting my money. You certainly don't need to warn me there. I've already looked at several comparisons and am aware of the details. I just wondered if anyone here was using/had experience with one or more.
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Wow, I don't even know what to say to this. I believe you were trying to help, but you've come across rather preachy and condescending. I merely want to get my music to the right ears without wasting my time or money. Simple as that. I asked if anyone had experience to share, not because I was too stupid to do my own research but as part of that research. I'm not looking for shortcuts. I'm not expecting fame. I'm not looking for fortunes. You sound very jaded, and I'm sorry that this industry may have done that to you.
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BYOband.
heres my perspective as one who once did marketing and once taught it in a previous era...
its the same old challenge ie connecting buyer and seller.
in the case of the music biz...
1..the biz is screwed up big time....cos..
2..there dont seem to be pathways to let the world know about unknown people who are writing great songs.
(eg gifted people on these very forums.)
3..the market is flooded with new songs because now technology has emancipated creators...who...in the past couldnt afford big studios or renting time.
4..lots of consumers of music arent bothered with visiting sites where us unknowns post our songs.>>>>this is a BIGGIE imho.
5..per the old uk saying (like a milk bottle)...
'cream and junk float to the top'.
eg sometimes i listen to the top artists/songs of the week and find very few songs that get me cranked up.
what bugs me (forget about me..) is the great innovative songs and obviously very gifted talent on these forums by comparison that the world doesnt know about.
and these are just some of many perspectives.
frankly i just dont think one can rely on paid or free music distribution
services...due to point 4...the wider publics ennui and often their personal challenges in life and how busy they might be.
so what to do ??
i reconciled myself to the following a looong time ago.
1..to just have lots of fun with songs...ie its in my blood.
and do my very best with each song and hope that IF others DO hear a song they get some smiles from it.
2..do i really want mansions and a zillion bucks in the bank and the negatives of having personal security teams and being carefull where i go ??...no thanks.
i prefer a peacefull life with my lovely wife who 'doesnt envy people cleaning big mansions'...lmao.
ok so i'm not rich...just one of the overtaxed middle classes...lol.
3..even the millionaires/trillionaires/zillionaires have a certain life span like rest of us. so best bet..every day as Dr PG says aptly HAVE FUN.
as an ex marketeer if one wants the world to know about ones songs i feel one needs to go to the 'gatekeepers'....and not rely just on third party distribution.
eg...radio stations (if one can find ones open to new artists)..
and media/people who write about new artists...and maybe contact tv talent shows that are popular etc etc.
the old saw 'it took me 20 years to become an overnight success' is sometimes true.
BYB i truly wish you succes...i really do.
but dont let the crazyness of the music biz get to you.
cos ive seen people get very tired from it.
apologies if the above wasnt of any help...its just my perspectives.
but dont rely on distributors i would suggest.
in many respects pg has a similar challenge ie 'reaching a wider audience of buyers' for its products.
HAPPINESS ALWAYS.
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Wow, I don't even know what to say to this. I believe you were trying to help, but you've come across rather preachy and condescending. I merely want to get my music to the right ears without wasting my time or money. Simple as that. I asked if anyone had experience to share, not because I was too stupid to do my own research but as part of that research. I'm not looking for shortcuts. I'm not expecting fame. I'm not looking for fortunes. You sound very jaded, and I'm sorry that this industry may have done that to you. I've had a successful career in the music industry and, in my retirement, I have an active consulting business—people pay me for the information I gave you for free. I am not jaded at all but don't worry. I will not attempt to help you again.
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We are very happy with DistroKid having had them handle four albums and many singles over the past two years. From our perspective they make distribution relatively easy and the cost is minimal. But your exposure, number of plays, etc., is not influenced by the distributor. They do have free promo graphics and other suggestions but ultimately it comes down to whether you get it on popular playlists or the ultimate on a Spotify editorial playlists. We are in this for fun. We are retired and for us it is simply fun to know that more people other than family and friends enjoy our music. Janice has been featured on some popular Spotify curators (play listers) and had her bio featured on their websites, etc. There are multiple ways to submit songs to Spotify curators but it is absolutely essential to avoid any "pay for plays" sites. Those will result in having your music removed from the platforms. So a caveat ... while we have received a number of streams it is all so relative. What is a lot to us could be what some indie artists receive on one song in a few months. We've had over 22,000 streams this year and average around 1800 listeners per month. Again, small numbers to some but fun for us. And over two years of streaming has earned us a whopping $110. Woohoo  A tiny fraction of what a CD release earned for us 25 years ago but it's 2025. Best to you, J&B
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I resonate with what you've reconciled yourself to. Funny you should mention "it took me 20 years to become an overnight success" as I wrote a song about that. Anyway, I guess the challenge for everybody and anybody these days is "a wider audience". Just sad that so many with a wide audience don't artistically deserve it (not that I do). Fortunately for me, I have zero expectations, so anything above zero is a nice surprise.
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Hi Janice & Bud,
Thank you so much for answering my question. I had Distrokid on my list of possibilities. And congrats on the listens and playlists you've managed to get on. I'm impressed with 22000 streams and you should be proud of yourselves regardless of your reasons and rhymes. A lot of people give up and don't even try (I know some very, very talented ones). I also would get great pleasure from knowing others (even a handful) actually liked listening to my tunes. My family don't really listen to music (can you imagine??) and my friends...well, I only share music with a few.
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Hi Janice & Bud,
Thank you so much for answering my question. I had Distrokid on my list of possibilities. And congrats on the listens and playlists you've managed to get on. I'm impressed with 22000 streams and you should be proud of yourselves regardless of your reasons and rhymes. A lot of people give up and don't even try (I know some very, very talented ones). I also would get great pleasure from knowing others (even a handful) actually liked listening to my tunes. My family don't really listen to music (can you imagine??) and my friends...well, I only share music with a few. You are more than welcome and we hope you have fun with the distribution adventure. We forgot to mention that DK is only $24 annually for unlimited uploads which you likely know at this point but it might be helpful to others. Also, for $12 a year per song they will handle everything related to licensing a cover. Everything ... all you have to do is request it and a couple days later you have a license for all the platforms. We recently distributed and licensed our cover of These Days by Jackson Browne which, of course, we can't post on the forum but it was fun and is doing very well on Spotify. Hope all works well for you, J&B
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Who here is using a music distributer to get their music out there? I use Songtradr to publish my music. DistroKid was also on the shortlist, but when I was looking for a distributor at the time, you had to pay per song, whereas Songtradr was $49/year for as many songs as you want to release. The disadvantage is that, unlike DistroKid, Songtradr does not handle licenses for cover songs and you have to do this yourself. I get 100% of the revenue, but for me it wasn't about the money, it was about getting my music on Spotify. So far I haven't had any problems with Songtradr.
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Who here is using a music distributer to get their music out there? I use Songtradr to publish my music. DistroKid was also on the shortlist, but when I was looking for a distributor at the time, you had to pay per song, whereas Songtradr was $49/year for as many songs as you want to release. The disadvantage is that, unlike DistroKid, Songtradr does not handle licenses for cover songs and you have to do this yourself. I get 100% of the revenue, but for me it wasn't about the money, it was about getting my music on Spotify. So far I haven't had any problems with Songtradr. They announced months ago that they are ceasing distribution and any releases you created via them will be removed from all the platforms next month. They recommend moving to DK and offer a discount for doing so. There is a very complex way to transfer releases but no guarantee play counts will remain. I’m glad we moved to DK two years ago. We will lose thousands of streams our ST album had gained and they will fall of many user playlists. Thanks ST. Really crappy customer service. We love DK. $25 a year for unlimited releases.
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So far I haven't had any problems with Songtradr. Have you not been to ST in a while? They announced months ago that they are ceasing distribution and any releases you created via them will be removed from all the platforms next month. They recommend moving to DK and offer a discount for doing so. There is a very complex way to transfer releases but no guarantee play counts will remain. I’m glad we moved to DK two years ago. We will lose thousands of streams our ST album had gained and they will fall of many user playlists. Thanks ST. Really crappy customer service. We love DK. $25 a year for unlimited releases. Oops? I don't remember receiving an email from them about that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I guess I have some to-dos now 
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So far I haven't had any problems with Songtradr. Have you not been to ST in a while? They announced months ago that they are ceasing distribution and any releases you created via them will be removed from all the platforms next month. They recommend moving to DK and offer a discount for doing so. There is a very complex way to transfer releases but no guarantee play counts will remain. I’m glad we moved to DK two years ago. We will lose thousands of streams our ST album had gained and they will fall of many user playlists. Thanks ST. Really crappy customer service. We love DK. $25 a year for unlimited releases. Oops? I don't remember receiving an email from them about that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I guess I have some to-dos now Below is the notice that I started receiving in March. I figured the 2024 ws a typo. Beats me. Clueless what they are up to. And they are trying to get me to sign up for a pro account which I've had 7 years. Something must be corrupted on my account or on their end or both. I Sorry for the hassle BD, Bud ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30815&filename=Screenshot 2025-06-12 at 4.29.13 PM.png)
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So far I haven't had any problems with Songtradr. Have you not been to ST in a while? They announced months ago that they are ceasing distribution and any releases you created via them will be removed from all the platforms next month. They recommend moving to DK and offer a discount for doing so. There is a very complex way to transfer releases but no guarantee play counts will remain. I’m glad we moved to DK two years ago. We will lose thousands of streams our ST album had gained and they will fall of many user playlists. Thanks ST. Really crappy customer service. We love DK. $25 a year for unlimited releases. Oops? I don't remember receiving an email from them about that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I guess I have some to-dos now Well I just went back to the site and now the alert screen says July 2024. Beats me. Clueless what they are up to. And they are trying to get me to sign up for a pro account which I've had 7 years. Something must be corrupted on my account or on their end or both. I signed out and back in and now the notice is gone. But they still don't recognize my pro account. Sorry for the hassle BD, Bud Strange. I never received any notification, and my last release was only a few days ago with no issues. I just read the latest press releases, and other than the B2B restructuring, there was absolutely nothing about Songtradr itself. And a Google search didn't turn up anything either. Needless to ask, have you already tried clearing your browser cache and cookies?
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Needless to ask, have you already tried clearing your browser cache and cookies? Yeah, I keep a clean machine. 😀 I sent them a support request. I think I have a theory of what could have happened. Perhaps when they started “thinking” I was not a pro member then the message started. Since I’m using DK I’d leave ST but we’ve had 26 songs licensed through them over the years and although the $ is small I’d prefer keeping them licensed. The vagaries of the net. Bud
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Thought I'd just add here for others who may be looking that I am currently trying out Ditto. My choice was by and large based on ratings in 2025. They have a one month free trial, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Will report back eventually. Fingers crossed. Question for folks: do you credit BIAB musicians when uploading your tunes?
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Thought I'd just add here for others who may be looking that I am currently trying out Ditto. My choice was by and large based on ratings in 2025. They have a one month free trial, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Will report back eventually. Fingers crossed. Question for folks: do you credit BIAB musicians when uploading your tunes? No. PG Music does not want you to do this. As Callie has posted more than once: No need to credit Band-in-a-Box or RealTracks Artists when publishing your work. About the only restriction is this one on Demos: Band-in-a-Box (BIAB) demo songs are copyrighted by PG Music Inc., meaning you cannot claim copyright to them or use them commercially without permission.
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Thanks, Mike.
I said I would follow up on my initial experience with Ditto, so here goes. I still have a week left on their free trial but I'm not going to subscribe. Despite having some weird customer service glitches with them, that isn't the reason. The fact that they had responsive customer service, however confused, is a good thing. In the end, I just realized it isn't worth the year-upon-year expense at the moment. Their platform was pretty clear and easy to use, and they were offering me a discount to upgrade, but...
In the end, I decided to just take a slower step forward with Soundcloud and up to an Artist account. Gonna focus on youtube and Soundcloud to share...which means (for showcase folks), I've configured a new browser profile that will allow me to now watch your vids too.
Maybe I'll revisit my Ditto decision next year. Hopefully my request to "takedown" will be swiftly honored and I can redistribute via Soundcloud.
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Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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