The way BIAB cuts up, transposes and reassembles portions of bass phrases from the original source audio recording contained in RealTracks might be fine for other styles - ie those that predominantly use bass *riffs* - but for walking bass lines - even though BB uses REAL recordings of pro jazz bass players doing their thing over the changes this gets reprocessed in a way that at so many times is simply inauthentic. It's actually one major reason I still often prefer to just use actual commercial jazz backing tracks from the likes of Jamey Aebersold.
Why? well a lot of it has to do with jumps in the baseline that no longer "lead" from one closest note to another. It actually makes it extremely easy to spot when a jazz backing track on YouTube for example is coming from real pro recorded jazz musicians or from our fave practice tool - BIAB.
I think the answer can be done algorithmically- and doesnt require any AI - but in any case this has been going on for ages. Decades actually. It applies as well to MIDI jazz walking bass lines.
Maybe PG should reach out to their past jazz bass realtracks musicians - hey! - even Ron Himself - and ask them where they can point out why they would never have done what there RT algorithm is doing to their own notes and phrases.
Last edited by nonchai; 07/23/2510:12 AM.
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Certain jazz basses will not walk as they are not designed for this style of bass. We have a few outlined within the RealTracks Picker that are titled "walking" that may suit this style of bass playing.
Certain jazz basses will not walk as they are not designed for this style of bass. We have a few outlined within the RealTracks Picker that are titled "walking" that may suit this style of bass playing.
Nicholas - it isn't just those "certain" jazz bass realtracks that have this problem - this is a problem NOT with any real track itself but with the algorithm that regenerates walking bass style realtracks. *Across the board*.
It's been there for many years.
Simply contact any of the pro double bass players who have recorded RT for PG and providing they have and are familiar with BIAB - they will be able to point out very easily when a generated double bass RT sounds inauthentic.
It has to do with certain jumps in interval - where one section from a RT has been "stitched" together with another one- but the two parts don't "flow" as they would when any pro jazz bassist did it for real.
Last edited by nonchai; 07/24/2509:57 AM.
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I think you are talking about voice leading, and this has been a problem with RealTracks since their beginning. Yes, when you stitch together snippets of one, two, four or eight bars of audio, you will get some register jumps that would not be natural voice leading. The more traditional the chords used, and if Natural Arrangement is used, the longer the phrases can be. But at some point, when the snippets are joined, you will have this problem. The best way I know to overcome individual cases is to use Partial Regeneration of the tracks one at a time.
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I think you are talking about voice leading, and this has been a problem with RealTracks since their beginning. Yes, when you stitch together snippets of one, two, four or eight bars of audio, you will get some register jumps that would not be natural voice leading. The more traditional the chords used, and if Natural Arrangement is used, the longer the phrases can be. But at some point, when the snippets are joined, you will have this problem. The best way I know to overcome individual cases is to use Partial Regeneration of the tracks one at a time.
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