Dear community members, I have been trying to create a click track with BIAB for some time now: the click on the left, the song on the right. I have found a few posts on this topic here in the forum, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be easy. My problem is that clicktrk.sty does not seem to be 'panable'. The setting under ‘Track Settings and Actions Dialog’ only causes the pan slider in the mixer window to move visually, but does not cause the sound to actually move to the left or right. Can anyone help?
Kindly Christoph (Augsburg, Germany)
btw., I would like to be able to use this click-track funktion directly in biab, i.e. w/o exporting tracks to wave files.
I tried to find clicktrk.sty on my PC and it is not anywhere in my bb\styles directory. I have everything ever made by PG Music but that is nowhere to be found.
You sure that is the right filename?
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I tried to find clicktrk.sty on my PC and it is not anywhere in my bb\styles directory. I have everything ever made by PG Music but that is nowhere to be found.
You sure that is the right filename?
I don't have that style either. However when I search for click I get a number of click tracks (see pic) but none of them are pan-able.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
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Let me preface this opinion with two things: 1) I think everybody here knows I love, respect, and use BIAB. 2) I don’t know what RealBand can do; I haven’t kept up with it.
In my opinion, people should not be recording live tracks in BIAB if they have a DAW and are decently skilled in using it. This could be one of those cases where the better tool for a job may be another digital audio program.
I’m perfectly willing to stand corrected if someone like Mario or Charlie etc. shows how to solve a problem, and there’s probably some workaround here. But one program can’t be best at all things. The count-in/metronome panning is but one. Others include non-integer tempos and control of ASIO buffers for recording.
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people miss soo much not investing some time in rb. dont people read manuals anymore ?
pannable click track is a doddle in rb. and there are various alternatives to doing your own clik tracks.
and easy custom for the user clik generation via a drum grid editor. so you could build your own library of unique to you clik tracks as there are 255 tracks to experiment with.
just read the rb manual. also read the rb faq's and in rb itself the various tips of the day. there are a ton of other things rb does that ive not seen in other daws.
rb lover out.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 08/07/2506:17 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Let me preface this opinion with two things: 1) I think everybody here knows I love, respect, and use BIAB. 2) I don’t know what RealBand can do; I haven’t kept up with it.
In my opinion, people should not be recording live tracks in BIAB if they have a DAW and are decently skilled in using it. This could be one of those cases where the better tool for a job may be another digital audio program.
I’m perfectly willing to stand corrected if someone like Mario or Charlie etc. shows how to solve a problem, and there’s probably some workaround here. But one program can’t be best at all things. The count-in/metronome panning is but one. Others include non-integer tempos and control of ASIO buffers for recording.
Matt, I totally agree about recording live tracks in a DAW; I never record in BiaB.
When someone post a problem like this I try to find a solution and in fact I have learned a lot about BiaB doing this.
Note that Charlie is the expert on BiaB.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
OM, please note I consider RealBand to be a DAW. It’s just that I can’t give instructions on how to use it, since I already used multiple DAWs long before RealBand was introduced and have not yet had a need to learn yet another one. Oh, boy indeed.
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OM, please note I consider RealBand to be a DAW. It’s just that I can’t give instructions on how to use it, since I already used multiple DAWs long before RealBand was introduced and have not yet had a need to learn yet another one. Oh, boy indeed.
Exactly, same here.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
i think i wasnt clear. the comment wasnt aimed at both of you which i have great respect for but the music biz in general. i also respect your choice of gear. i know there are 'lurkers' on these forums, who might be pondering purchaseing pg products but might be put off if a simple task like panning a click track they think cant be done....thus my comments in case of lurkers.
its nuts... for some reason i meet more and more people these days that dont wanna do the following...
1..read the manuals of anything whether its home/tech/car products or recording products. 2..set up a project studio without wanting to understand the tech... for example once i had a fancy shmancy 2 inch tape based big boys studio includeing a big name audio console. no choice but to understand how to use the gear to get the best out of it. same with any project studio. first thing i did when i got powertracks originally and later got into bb/rb was read the manuals followed by loads of experimentation. however i dont consider myself a guru like charlie re bb and rharv re rb.
what really irks me tho is how a lot of the talent on these forums in the showcase never reaches commercial radio and the broader world. as i said the music biz is nuts....
respect to you both....and i hope ive clarified matters.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 08/07/2502:41 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
FWIW, the OP didn't appear to me to be asking about recording, just panning a click track, e.g., for a click track in one channel and the BIAB track in the other.
One can always make ones own click track using a second track with drums/percussion on it. That may need lovking to mono to allow suitable panning.
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om, I meant no disrespect to you with my comment. I know that you love RB and you mean well and I respect that. I was just agreeing with Matt on why I don't use RB. Also note that many times I have said it you don't already have a favorite DAW use RB, of course that is for Windows OS people. A DAW is a DAW and some do things better than and maybe not as good as others.
I totally agree with your #1 and #2 comments as well as the forums musicianship: I have been listening to music on other sites and most are nowhere near as good as our friends' music here.
Peace.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
I don't understand all the fuss. Why dont you put a midi click on a utility track and pan the track in the mixer to what ever side you need?
Dan
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< Why dont you put a midi click on a utility track and pan the track in the mixer to what ever side you need? >
Because in BIAB Mixer, panning hard left and hard right does not isolate the instruments of discrete tracks from one another, including a click track. Although BIAB allows creating R+L tracks, panning doesn't play discretely. The tracks can be sent to an external mixer and feed the left to one track and right to another track for live performing with a click to a musician and the master track to FOH. Otherwise, there will be click bleed in the FOH using BIAB.
Creating a click/performance track in BIAB is a breeze and takes about 30 seconds to one minute. I agree with the others that it's best to not attempt doing performances using BIAB to play these tracks but use a R+L Track feeding a Mixer.
Dear community members, I have been trying to create a click track with BIAB for some time now: the click on the left, the song on the right. I have found a few posts on this topic here in the forum, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be easy. My problem is that clicktrk.sty does not seem to be 'panable'. The setting under ‘Track Settings and Actions Dialog’ only causes the pan slider in the mixer window to move visually, but does not cause the sound to actually move to the left or right. Can anyone help?
Kindly Christoph (Augsburg, Germany)
btw., I would like to be able to use this click-track funktion directly in biab, i.e. w/o exporting tracks to wave files.
Hello and welcome to the forums!
First off, "clicktrk.sty" is not a style provided with Band-in-a-Box. Perhaps you were talking about METRONM1.sty? That one is included with all BIAB packages.
Second, CoyoteWT (the default synth provided in Band-in-a-Box) does not seem to support panning when it comes to drums - a bug or an oversight, I'm not sure, but as Coyote is not our software it is not something we can fix. If you use a different synth plugin for the click track then that will (hopefully) respond to panning. One example that works is the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth, which is built into Windows.
Hello everyone, thank you very much for your numerous answers. I hadn't expected so much response. I'm really delighted! A little more information from me: clicktrk.sty is a file that I found here in the forum during my research. I also tested metronome.sty but unfortunately this track can't be panned either. Let me say a few words about my application. As a jazz musician, I regularly meet up with various other musicians for jam sessions, both public and non-public. For our non-public scene sessions, I would have liked to use the invaluable advantage of the continuous chord representations in BIAB. This way, musicians who are not familiar with the progressions of the tunes can also participate "song form safe". For my application, I therefore deliberately do not want to use classic methods of using click tracks. As I said, it is not about public sessions. This would undoubtedly require greater reliability.
No disrespect, but lets say your a product manager for a major software product. lets also consider...
1..the product has a worldwide user base. 2..there is constant user preassure for more features and improvements. 3..competitive preassure is constant from other software apps.
so what does the product manager do given the above aspects of the job ? of course the manual is very large due to the huge number of features implemented for users over the years. thus pg are in a no win situation imho re size of manuals for bb and rb. we had the same problems in industry.
now certainly there are various ways to help the situation for users eg videos/tips etc etc...but...in the end...if a user wants to get the best of a product sometimes ya just gotta dig in otherwise one might miss very very usefull features. (let me note ones car also comes with a very large manual due to the myriad features provided.) if you were the product manager how would you solve the dilemmas above ? other than manuals etc etc ??
however haveing mentioned the above i DO believe pg could do one thing that might help users understand the myriad of advantageous features of rb and differences viz bb...and that is a video showing the differences. eg 'if you wanna do X then rb is the vehicle' eg midi/audio editing/48k/odd time signatures and various other plusses of useing rb. and 'if you wanna do Y then bb is the appropo vehicle' eg here track genning in bb is faster. in summary its not bb versus rb but useing the advantages of each imho. sometimes for example here i'll use bb for the 'getting the song idea down fast' phase and then bonk over to rb for the detailed low level work.
its just that over the years on these forums various new users have asked 'how do i do xyz in bb' while not knowing that its a breeze in rb. eg in this case 'click track'. so often rb guru rharv or myself or another long term rb user steps in to explain.
i hope i make some sense mp and wish you the very very best.
for any lurkers out there if you explore the many neat features of rb you will realise that bb and rb TOGETHER can be a very powerfull solution. BUT there IS a learning cycle due to the plethora of features of each. no way around it imho.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 08/08/2506:35 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
I went back and re-read the thread. Gordon mentioned that the request might not be about recording. When I heard the term click track, I did assume that we were talking about recording. Chris-67, thanks for clearing up what you are using this for.
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