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Link: Once Upon A Time In Life This song is loosely inspired by the life and death of Amy Winehouse. Outstanding singer, tragic life. It started out as a ballad that I played on my old acoustic, but soon developed into something that seems appropriate to call "a monster". Arranging and mixing nightmare. For a change, I decided to use internal rhymes wherever possible. That didn't exactly make my work any easier, but I really love this rhyme scheme. At six and a half minutes long, this is my personal kinda Bohemian Rhapsody that no one will ever listen to because: - far too long to ever be played on the radio
- too complex to sing along to
- over 1 minute until the first chorus
- goes against all current trends
The video is simple and just serves to keep you from getting bored during the song. After mixing all these tracks, I was a bit exhausted and didn't feel like investing a lot of time in a video. After all, I'm a musician (well, sort of) and not a director. Since there are only three BIAB tracks, I didn't really want to post it here, but Marty convinced me that I should. Blame him  But my question to you is: Do you think it's okay when songs started with BIAB, but most of the tracks were replaced by AI during development? Floyd made a good point somewhere that we should present songs here where BIAB was the primary tool of choice, whatever primary means, to show people why it's cool to buy BIAB. I know it's okay if BIAB is (almost) replaced by your own playing (I did it, David did it, many others did it), but I know that AI is a sensitive topic at the moment and I am aware that you can't really compare both cases. So I figured I just ask you guys. I've always been transparent about what I use for my songs, and so I am now. Both possible answers are fine with me, so you don't have to be nice to avoid upsetting me. I have a lot more pure (by whatever definition) BIAB productions in the pipeline than stuff where AI is involved, so I would just stop posting the latter here. Whaddayathink? Feedback (the good, the bad and the ugly, I'm here to learn) is, as always, highly appreciated. The usual technical information: Lyrical and ethical advisor and a shoulder to lean on when life isn't going so well: Marty Style: DROP.STY (I told you it started as a ballad) The band: Drums: Suno, me Bass: Suno, me Guitars: 650, 1000, 4213, Suno, me Orchestral stuff and synthesizers/piano: Suno, me Vocals: Suno You can find the lyrics in the next post.
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Title: Once Upon A Time In Life
(Verse)
She was born in a bed of thorns
Raised in a place without dreams to chase
A place she knew she couldn't stay
Couldn't stay
(Pre-chorus)
Never heard a comforting word
Sang to regret, sang to forget
And dreamed a dream
That slipped away
Slipped away
(Chorus)
She sold her soul with every song
Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud
A wounded heart that fell apart
And couldn't find her peace of mind
Her peace of mind
Of mind
(Verse)
Raised her voice, her only choice
Each song a cry against the lie
Each note a wound, a suffering sound
A suffering sound
(Bridge)
Angry words in broken chords
Social abuse she didn’t choose
Nothing to lose, but contractually bound
Bound
(Pre-chorus)
Never heard a comforting word
Sang to regret, sang to forget
And dreamed a dream
That slipped away
Slipped
Away
(Chorus)
She sold her soul with every song
Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud
A wounded heart that fell apart
And couldn't find her peace of mind
Her peace of mind
(Bridge)
Her face was on every magazine
But the mirror showed someone else
She no longer saw the girl from years ago
At too young an age
She left the final stage
The final show
A dying glow
(Verse)
Her light was gone, the world moved on
Her name still echoes all along
Her legacy lost
In a contract so wrong
So wrong
(Bridge)
Standing on a bridge so high
Felt the wind, thought she could fly
And never die
(Chorus)
She sold her soul with every song
Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud
A wounded heart that fell apart
And couldn't find her peace of mind
(Outro)
A wounded heart that fell apart
And couldn’t find her peace of mind
Her peace of mind
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B.D.,
Wow! That is one EPIC production! I was with you start to finish. Powerful song and a mega-powerhouse vocal from Suno. Awesome arrangement and love the ending.
Really nice stuff!
Bob
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Cool tune, B.D. Crazy good execution of a neat concept. Easily as good as anything pro I've heard lately.
Amy left us way too soon of course. I can't listen to "Rehab" without getting weepy, which is weird but true.
I personally think that you should use whatever tools you're comfortable with in making music, whether you call it your own or not. AI is doing some AMAZING stuff with music.
That being said, I think a song that ONLY features AI has no business on a site hosted by a company in direct competition with AI on backing track production, even if the song has BiaB tracks replaced with AI. I do draw a distinction between backing tracks and vocal tracks. PGMusic doesn't really do vocal tracks, so...whatever is ok.
I may not be the best listener ever, but while I hear a lot of cool instrument tracks here, I hear little that sounds like BiaB.
Doesn't make this a bad song (quite the opposite is true!) or you a bad person or Marty's advice wrong. But you asked for opinions, and that's mine. I'll still listen to everything you post with awe and wonder...
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B.D. this is a frickin' fantastic mega-song! It's a great tribute song and an unbelievably good production, which sounds 100% professional. I'm not pro the modern usage of the term "awesome" as in my experience only vast panoramic views of Greet Nature fill me with true awe, but yet I found myself saying "this track IS awesome!"
The Suno vocals are 100% better than SynthV and sound 100% real. It's truly impressive.
Re AI, the only thing that puts me off it re music is that so many AI companies are being sued over copyright infringements and I'd hate it if I ever used AI and then found the AI had stolen someone else's material. While I've seen YT channels where individuals who have no musical talents at all are getting AI to 100% compose for them - and so far I've not been impressed by the results - in a case like this song it's so obviously your writing and your overall vision that's being presented and I have no issue with that. On the contrary! Also one of my favourite Neil Jung quotes is "The rules are there to be broken." I was tempted to try out Suno having seen others great work using it, and my 100% unmastered music lacks that 'polished recorded in a studio' sound, but living on a pension it's not worth paying a monthly fee for something that I wouldn't use that often. I can understand both sides of the argument re AI - also I agree that you should have posted this song here - but what really counts for me is the originality of the project and this song is clearly your vision and your creativity, regardless of what you've used. It's epic and a real achievement!
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#58: Bring consciousness to it.
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Amazing, BD!! Vocals, drums, the whole avalanche of sound just slayed me! Six plus minutes went by like nothing. This couldn't be better. Way to go!
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BD - that was/is epic and sounds professional! The style and vocal reminded me of an Aussie artist - Delta Goodrem.
Excellent arranging and production, and change in dynamics in the song.
As for your AI and Showcase questions, you say you are using 3 BIAB tracks, so that satisfies the guidelines from my reading - they say to indicate which tracks you used and which are your own. I think as long as you meet the BIAB content and are transparent about other sources, that should be okay?
One thing I would like to see more of in the Showcase is examples of how the song originated in BIAB and what it became after production. I would think some songs would be very close to their origins, while others would illustrate how they morphed through production - not saying one is better than the other - just showing how BIAB was used in the initial writing and inspiration.
Anyway, this was a great final result on your part!
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Hi BD.
This is incredibly impressive! Your music and its production are extraordinary: professional through and through. Like others above me, the 6 minutes of listening flew by. I was so caught up in the music and the lyrics that I forgot to pay attention to the video. "Absolutely brilliant" kept appearing in my mind as I listened. I loved it. And your rhyme scheme is a superb fit for the nature of the lyrics and the music. None of the words stood out as obtrusive or chosen simply because it 'rhymed'. The flow of the lyrics was perfect.
I agree with Marty. He was spot on in encouraging you to post this. I would have hated to have missed out on hearing it!
For what it's worth, the opening line of PG Music's User Showcase guidelines says, "The User Showcase is an area where users of PG Music products (e.g. Band-in-a-Box or RealBand) can post links to their original song compositions, for others to listen to and comment on."
There is no requirement that you have use Realtracks, Realdrums, MIDISupertracks, etc. If you've used any PG Music product at any point in the creation of a song, it deserves to be on this forum. For example: PG Music's Powertracks Pro Audio and Realband are DAWs, and it's possible to create songs in them entirely from material obtained either live or AI or purchased samples, etc. Such songs are just as eligible to be showcased on this forum as anything that was generated in BIAB.
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The Good: You certainly nailed the drama that was Amy Winehouse. I enjoyed it for being an unsingable, multi-layered, complex AI-driven song with one dramatic shift after another. The sound is incredible.
The Bad: Does it belong here? I don't know. I kinda like the fact that the forum is about BIAB-made tunes and wouldn't want to see it turn into something else. But that said, it's unlikely to ever happen and besides, everyone can choose to listen to a song or not.
The Ugly: This isn't so much ugly as simply my humble opinion and personal taste (and only since you asked). I'm not surprised that you felt exhausted after mixing this. I'm exhausted after listening to it! I enjoyed my listen but I wouldn't be inclined to repeat listening. I find it over-the-top. That said, I can see a huge audience for it.
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B.D.Thomas,
What a production! Pro sounds all the way around on this haunting beautiful piece!
The orchestral backing really elevates this to a very high level!
This is very good stuff!
Thanks, TB
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B.D.,
Wow! That is one EPIC production! I was with you start to finish. Powerful song and a mega-powerhouse vocal from Suno. Awesome arrangement and love the ending.
Really nice stuff!
Bob Thank you for your kind words, Bob, especially since I know you prefer sparse arrangements and this song is the exact opposite of that 
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BDT - you're the master of epic and huge productions, no idea how you manage
to achieve such a massive sound and complex mix!
I'm bound to say it's not my kinda music, but like Beth wrote I can see a huge audience
for it - you're a very clever musician and producer, very well done indeed!!
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Absolutely amazing! This deserves to be picked up and recorded by a performing artist. Such a great subject matter and arrangement even if it is BIAB and AI vocal. I wouldn’t worry about how you’ve created it using BIAB and AI, the fact that you’ve written, arranged and produced an outstanding song, highlights your talent in those areas. Should it be compared side by side with a regular song? So long as you’re open about the methods used to produce it then I don’t have any problem with that. I doubt I’ll ever be able to produce anything like this before I snuff it, but the hope that I may one day, keeps me at it.
Bravo!
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You totally blew me away with this, Brain! Just an amazing piece of music, six minutes well spent As far as posting in here goes, it fits the guidelines so why not? Wonderful in every way, well done!
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Nicely impressive.
Yeah, that's a monster of a song and excellent production.
Regarding the use of BB tracks.... It says " The User Showcase is an area where users of PG Music products (e.g. Band-in-a-Box or RealBand) can post links to their original song compositions, for others to listen to and comment on." So, a reading of that would qualify you to post something that contains no tracks from BB since you are a "user" of the PG products. I hesitate to post anything that doesn't have any BB tracks but in my eyes, using just one track qualifies your song for inclusion in the showcase. I've seen songs in here with zero BB tracks but the individual is a user here (obviously) and used Powertracks to record it.
That long song zipped by. It's that good. But you are correct.... it's not a radio edit. Still, very nice work.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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BD,
Absolutely stunning work here . . . as professional sounding a track as I’ve ever heard in this forum. Just masterful!
I think as long as you use at least one BBI track, you are good to go with posting. You’re there times that here, so no worries whatsoever.
Deej
P.S. Thanks for your kind feedback on the Deej/ray collaboration "Walking on Water". I didn't want to bump the song up, but wanted to acknowledge your comments. Much appreciated!
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Hi, B.D. It started out as a ballad that I played on my old acoustic, but soon developed into something that seems appropriate to call "a monster".
Arranging and mixing nightmare. I can see how that would be the case. That said, it doesn't show in the final song. Big, huge, epic... it's all that and succeeds in every way. Well done! (And that's without even watching the video!) But my question to you is: Do you think it's okay when songs started with BIAB, but most of the tracks were replaced by AI during development? There's no rule that you use BiaB in the song - only that you post the BiaB tracks if it was used. The forum gives BiaB users a place to show off their work, but obviously PG Music would prefer that you showcase their tools. The ease with which people can use AI to create songs has really changed the music world, and we'll continue to see people adapt to it. There's little negative impact on PG Music if people use their own voices, hired singers, SynthV, ACE Studio, Suno, or whatever on vocals. This ethos is generally understood, which makes the forum is self-policing. Someone new who doesn't use BiaB will be politely told that the forum is for BiaB users. A BiaB user who regularly posts the occasional song without BiaB might get only a small amount of flack for not including BiaB, even though their well within the rules for doing so. You'll occasionally get users who post songs that are primarily AI, but include a few BiaB elements to try to stay in the spirit of the rules. But other than to comply with the spirit of the forum, there was no need to replace those instruments. The odds are pretty good that those AI tracks that were replaced by BiaB were as good as what they were replaced with from BiaB, because they were customized to that particular song. So this is where the line is for me personally: - If the song uses BiaB organically, it makes sense to post it here, because it shows what can be done with BiaB.
- If the song has no BiaB, but is primarily me singing or something, I'll post it here to share with the community.
Fortunately, there are plenty of other places where you can post your songs for comment and review. I think that as time goes along, PG Music will either let the forum decide via self-policing, or eventually make an executive decision.
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Cool tune, B.D. Crazy good execution of a neat concept. Easily as good as anything pro I've heard lately.
Amy left us way too soon of course. I can't listen to "Rehab" without getting weepy, which is weird but true.
I personally think that you should use whatever tools you're comfortable with in making music, whether you call it your own or not. AI is doing some AMAZING stuff with music.
That being said, I think a song that ONLY features AI has no business on a site hosted by a company in direct competition with AI on backing track production, even if the song has BiaB tracks replaced with AI. I do draw a distinction between backing tracks and vocal tracks. PGMusic doesn't really do vocal tracks, so...whatever is ok.
I may not be the best listener ever, but while I hear a lot of cool instrument tracks here, I hear little that sounds like BiaB.
Doesn't make this a bad song (quite the opposite is true!) or you a bad person or Marty's advice wrong. But you asked for opinions, and that's mine. I'll still listen to everything you post with awe and wonder... Thanks for your really kind words, Ron The guitars 650 and 1000 (simple power chords) play in the first and last choruses, but of course they are barely audible alongside all the other instruments. Guitar 4213 is the short guitar solo at around 5:06 (the solo was originally way longer, but it distracted from the "dying" vocals, so it was drastically shortened). I completely understand your point of view, because that was actually the main reason why I asked for feedback. Thanks again ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gif)
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"After all, I'm a musician (well, sort of) and not a director", heh, I was smiling after reading this line, because I felt the opposite - in my ears you have moved from a songwriter to a producer/conductor and I can picture you swinging your arms wildly in front of a symphonic orchestra while conducting this masterpiece I feel that using AI buries the homespun feel in your earlier songs, when you use Synth V your personal touch can be still heard. But, on the other hand, I truly appreciate the amount of effort required to combine all those different elements into this amazing professional sounding work - even with AI you may have needed tens of trials to get what you want. But to the song itself: it's a great tribute, touching lyrics with strong images. Your skill to use dynamics just gets better, everything sounds as good as any other symphonic metal band. Transitions from loud to calm sound very natural. The mix is simply perfect. AI voice is as real as can be and those spoken and screaming parts, wow! The length is not a problem for me, your arrangement keeps the interest going the whole time. Maybe I'll dare to showcase my almost 8-minute work soon - unfortunately I don't have your skills when it comes to dynamics  Janne
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B.D. this is a frickin' fantastic mega-song! It's a great tribute song and an unbelievably good production, which sounds 100% professional. I'm not pro the modern usage of the term "awesome" as in my experience only vast panoramic views of Greet Nature fill me with true awe, but yet I found myself saying "this track IS awesome!"
The Suno vocals are 100% better than SynthV and sound 100% real. It's truly impressive.
Re AI, the only thing that puts me off it re music is that so many AI companies are being sued over copyright infringements and I'd hate it if I ever used AI and then found the AI had stolen someone else's material. While I've seen YT channels where individuals who have no musical talents at all are getting AI to 100% compose for them - and so far I've not been impressed by the results - in a case like this song it's so obviously your writing and your overall vision that's being presented and I have no issue with that. On the contrary! Also one of my favourite Neil Jung quotes is "The rules are there to be broken." I was tempted to try out Suno having seen others great work using it, and my 100% unmastered music lacks that 'polished recorded in a studio' sound, but living on a pension it's not worth paying a monthly fee for something that I wouldn't use that often. I can understand both sides of the argument re AI - also I agree that you should have posted this song here - but what really counts for me is the originality of the project and this song is clearly your vision and your creativity, regardless of what you've used. It's epic and a real achievement! Thanks for your positive feedback on the song, Chay, and your thoughts on my question. I agree that Suno or UDIO create really good mixes that are 90% there, but if you want to achieve those last 10%, you have to take the whole thing apart and mix it from scratch, which is much more work than mixing a pure BIAB song. I enjoy both processes, though.
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Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
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Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
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