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Hi. I have a song, which contains my own repeats. For some reason BIAB insists on playing a busy drum fill in the wrong place, at bar 1 of the second repeat (usually fills are at the last bar of four or eight). I just need the standard groove here. Is there a way to get BIAB to change this?

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Is there a part marker for the next bar?

If so, there is an option to specify no fill at a part marker.


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No part marker. It's the first bar, in the second repeat. To put it clearly from the start of the song, bar one plays properly. At bar 32 I have put in a simple repeat, so it goes to bar 1 again and bar one now has a horrible drum fill,

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I am remembering a discussion about this from years ago. I thought BIAB makes a part marker on measure one, and if you remove the part marker it still has a fill on a repeat. What happens if you add a silent measure at the beginning and start the song at measure two?


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< I just need the standard groove here. Is there a way to get BIAB to change this? >

I'm assuming you're using RealDrums. If that's the case, yes BIAB can replace a drum fill to the standard groove.

Here are the steps:

Open the Audio Edit Window and select the Drums Track.

Highlight the area to change the drum fill to the standard groove. (In the Screenshot example, the fill is the highlighted Bar 4 - 5 region)

Hit the Delete key to silence the highlighted section without removing the space. (Shift/Delete removes the data and the space) don't use Shift/Delete.

You'll get an error message that no RealTracks are detected and do you want to select one. Choose yes.

Select any RealTrack and enter. The Drums data will be replaced with Silence, leaving just the space line.

Copy a Bar of the standard groove from another section of the track
Paste this drum standard groove data to the blank fill area
Right click on the Drums Track
Select Track Actions
Select Revert Track to Style instrument to return the track back to Drums.
Freeze the Drums Track to preserve your edit.

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Well, using bar settings to mute you have to first mute all instruments on the new bar, then unmute them on the next. This ruins the bar numbers and the count in is followed by a gap of silence. Anyway I don't know how to do it because it is the repeat of bar one (now bar 2), which is the focus. How do you get to edit the repeat and not the original?


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Really? Jim that is involved. AlsoI want to edit the repeat, I.e the second time we hear bar one.

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Originally Posted by ZeroZero
Hi. I have a song, which contains my own repeats. For some reason BIAB insists on playing a busy drum fill in the wrong place, at bar 1 of the second repeat (usually fills are at the last bar of four or eight). I just need the standard groove here. Is there a way to get BIAB to change this?
Is the drum track frozen? If so, unfreeze it then regenerate the drums.

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If so, there is an option to specify no fill at a part marker.
There is also an option to specify a fill with no part marker, which might have inadvertently been placed. Right click on the bar number and see if Drum Fill Wanted For This Bar is checked, and check the bar after it too.


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Originally Posted by ZeroZero
Really? Jim that is involved. AlsoI want to edit the repeat, I.e the second time we hear bar one.

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No issue with the repeat. BIAB displays the waveform linear as well as plays in a linear fashion. The bars are enumerated with the Repeats displayed across the top of the Audio Edit Window waveform. This procedure is a just a copy/paste to the Drums audio track data.

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Jim I think your idea might work, but what a performance to do this simple task. If I could find a way of editing the first bar when it repeats only, then this might solve my problems as there is a bar setting for "Allow drum fills", but I can only seem to suppress for the first repeat.

How does one identify just the second repeat?

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< How does one identify just the second repeat? >

Use Views Toolbar and select Fake Sheet and uncheck the Display Chord Sheet selection and the actual repeated bar numbers will be visible but grayed out. These bars can be edited by these numbers in the Audio Edit Window.

EDIT: I reviewed your SGU file. Bar 33 is the first bar of the repeat. The repeat is the grayed out bars.

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Originally Posted by ZeroZero
There seems to be something corrupt in the repeat in that song. Try deleting all repeats, then re-add the repeat.

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< How does one identify just the second repeat? >

Use Views Toolbar and select Fake Sheet and uncheck the Display Chord Sheet selection and the actual repeated bar numbers will be visible but grayed out. These bars can be edited by these numbers in the Audio Edit Window.
It's a MIDI style, so that won't work.


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< Here is the file: https://1drv.ms/u/c/4aebef484af7e02e/EXDAyszbcoRNmZljy1tJSo8BJOVh1S2GIlUzHyK1Do7gBg?e=afJeZ6. Listen to bar one on second time around >

Your SGU file is calling for a drum fill at bar 34. Remove that and regenerate and the drum fill should not occur.

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Sounds like your onto something Jim, but I don't have a bar 34! My song repeats the first 32 bars. It labels teh frist 32 1-32, tehn the second are labelled (wrongly) 1-32 again, then it jumps to bar 65 which is correct.

Why bar 34? not bar 32? Bar 34 is just a random ordinary bar (or it would be if i had one)

Also how do you get up that selection menu?

thanks

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Jim I figured out how to display the second chorus and it's bar numbers
thanks to you. But i still do not know how to get up the menu you display.

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Originally Posted by ZeroZero
Jim I figured out how to display the second chorus and it's bar numbers
thanks to you. But i still do not know how to get up the menu you display.

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The blue part marker on 34 shouldn't be there, it should be on 33. Just click on the bar number to add/remove the part marker, or right click to get the menu Jim showed. Again though, there's something corrupt in your repeat (it's showing an "unknown or newer repeat type" in the list), so it's better to remove all and re-add the repeat.


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Jim I figured out how to display the second chorus and it's bar numbers
thanks to you. But i still do not know how to get up the menu you display.

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I found the menu thanks. You have to r-click the blue or green boxes


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
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Jim I figured out how to display the second chorus and it's bar numbers
thanks to you. But i still do not know how to get up the menu you display.

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so it's better to remove all and re-add the repeat.

Now I have 112 bars instead of 80. Thank you for your support Simon, but this has been a horror show. I shall fix it. I have now succesfully removed the rogue repeat but have too many bars.

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Jim I figured out how to display the second chorus and it's bar numbers
thanks to you. But i still do not know how to get up the menu you display.

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so it's better to remove all and re-add the repeat.

Now I have 112 bars instead of 80. Thank you for your support Simon, but this has been a horror show. I shall fix it. I have now succesfully removed the rogue repeat but have too many bars.

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Did the repeats window have "Generate (insert) new bars" checked? That could do it. Otherwise deleting the extra bars should do the trick.


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