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What style would you use to duplicate this rhtym section? I've spent a couple hours and not found anything very close...



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Sounds like the classic Ray Price shuffle to me. How many country tunes have been recorded with that style, with the walking bass line? Too many to count. I'd certainly use it.

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Perhaps not exact matches but try:
_BRAZEN
_COWRIDE
_HANKPS1
_HANKPS
_PSSOLSH


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Petimar:

What a great, classic C&W swing song, thanks for sharing!
Not sure what your BIAB workflow is, but here's mine for setting up a song with this kind of beat.

- I like to start with an all MIDI style, so that when entering chords or making changes, I don't have to wait for RealTracks to re-generate
- For this country swing song, I would use TANYUKER.STY, it's my go-to.
- I then enter the chords into the Chord Sheet and do any necessary A-B substyles settings etc.
- I also keep (as my default), the "bar lyrics" line available, so I can quickly add notes like Intro, Verse, Chorus, Tag (etc.)
- Once I'm happy with the chords and layout, I save it with that style, (like mysong_OLS01.sgu) (OLS are my initials, so I remember that I worked on it)
- Next I turn my attention to finding a RealStyle that might better fit the song
- When you select this style, i.e. TANTUKER.STY, then in the Memo box at the bottom of the window, it shows a RealStyle substitute
- "[ RealStyle sub=_ROUNDUP.STY Medium Country Swing w/ Resonato]"
- I usually try this BIAB suggestion first, to see if that's what I'm after. Also, BIAB will sometimes suggest a RealStyle in a pop-up box.
- For your song here, I like AudioTrack's suggestion better: _PSSOLSH (I don't have all the styles he does so one of his others might work too)
- Lastly I save it again like mysong_OLS01_RT.sgu or something similar, to indicate it contains RealTracks

Before we had a plethora of styles to choose from, I made my own RealTracks substitute for TANTUKER, putting in the instruments I liked.
Here's what mine looks like: (this is what shows up in the Memo box at the bottom of the Styles window).

_OLSCNTY.STY. OLS Country 01 mimics TANTUKER
All RealTracks. Quintet. Tempo=120 (105-135)
Instruments: El.Bass, Ac.Piano, Ac.Guitar, PedalSteel, Drums
RD: NashvilleShuffle^01-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, Ride :Brian Fullen
RT1547: Bass, Electric, CountrySwing Sw 110 , Dave Francis
RT1549: Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm CountrySwing Sw 110 , Jeff Taylor
RT372: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Hank Sw 120 , Tony King
RT1134: Pedal Steel, Rhythm WesternSwing Sw 165 , Tommy Hannum

I've saved this style to my Favorites folder as I use it often.
Good luck on your style search, let us know what you decide on.
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Texas swing. Look at the styles in that genre


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Thanks all. Made something that works OK, but I would still like a straight Ray Price rhythm piano shuffle. Can't find one.

Maybe a RT request to go along withg real authentic western swing drums, rhythm piano, rhythm guitar and non pedal steel RTs (I can always dream :-).


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Certainly feel free to place a request in the Band-in-a-Box Wishlist section. I can't hurt.


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Originally Posted by Petimar
Thanks all. Made something that works OK, but I would still like a straight Ray Price rhythm piano shuffle. Can't find one.

https://b0b.com/wp/articles/ray-price-shuffles/


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The Ray Price style DrDan links to are really good. Be aware the instrument patches are MIDI, not RealDrums or RealTracks.

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Ray Price Shuffle Styles for Band-In-A-Box – $9.00

Meticulously constructed by BIAB wizard Jim Baron, these 8 styles are a traditional steel guitarist’s dream. Six are variations of the regular 4 beats to a measure shuffles. The last one is a waltz, for use on songs like “24th Hour”. Here are some audio samples created with 4 of these styles:

The styles all use the same instrument voicings, so you can mix them within a song. Remember you can change styles at any measure in the song, just “right click” on the bar your working on and choose “bar settings”. In this way, you can easily give a little different feel to the bridge from the verse, etc.

Note that you must have Band-In-A-Box to use these styles. These are not rhythm tracks, they are the files you need to make your own rhythm tracks in the Ray Price style with Band-In-A-Box.

To order, please visit The Steel Guitar Forum Marketplace. All proceeds from these sales go to support maintaining The Steel Guitar Forum.

The DrDan link has links to audio samples and a webpage to order the style.


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Originally Posted by Petimar
Thanks all. Made something that works OK, but I would still like a straight Ray Price rhythm piano shuffle. Can't find one.

Maybe a RT request to go along withg real authentic western swing drums, rhythm piano, rhythm guitar and non pedal steel RTs (I can always dream :-).

Here is how I make a style for a song where I can't find an exact style match:

I load the "Blank 4/4" style, type blank in the style search box. You'll have 4 different blank styles to choose from. I assume you'll want the "4/4 sw" swing style for your song.

Next, add your RealTrack instruments (bass,piano,drums ...) 1 by 1 by using the realtrack selection for each track. You can then filter your selection again in the RT list, either by name/type/feel/tempo etc. It's a great way to generate and audition RT's until you get to what you want.

In fact, I use the blank style process on 90% of the songs I create in Biab.

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I could not find any real styles that sounded like Ray Price shuffles. I am a member of the steel guitar forum and found a member there had made these

https://steelguitarshopper.com/ray-price-shuffles-for-band-in-a-box-biab-downloadable-files/?searchid=165333&search_query=band+in+a+box

These work great!! Well worth the $9.00 price for me.


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What a surprise? wink


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From what I can tell, in this set are eight RealStyles MIDI styles that will use PGMusic RealTracks from 2009 and before. They are VERY specific to the genre Petimar references and have only subtle differences between each other except for the obvious differences in 4/4 vs 3/4 styles. Suggest listening to the SoundCloud samples linked from the site Petimar includes in his post if you think you might be interested.

The price is certainly right if these are styles you need.

***Post edited to reflect Jim Fogle's excellent insight***

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The Ray Price styles offered by the SteelGuitarShopper.com are MIDI based styles. Here is part of a ReadMe file that ships with the styles:
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There are 7 styles built for working with BIAB songs with the shuffle feel. Six are of the regular 4 beats to a measure and one is a waltz, for use on songs like 24th Hour. There is also a shuffle test SGU file

About these styles, you need to mix each song and especially the volumes. In the RP shuffles the left hand of the piano plays the same basic line the bass plays and in the same octave. So it is important to mix these to get a sound you like. Some like finger bass and some like acoustic bass, your choice, but most all make the left hand of the piano an acoustic one. One of the things I noticed in a Ray Price concert is the loudness of the drum stick hitting on the back beat, so I have these set loud in the drum programming.

RP-Shuff.sty
This is a regular shuffle, no walks or other things going on.

RP-Bas13.sty
This is like the one above only the kick [Bass] drum is only hitting on 1 and 3 beats. Because of the kick only on 1&3, it feels a little more “laid back”, not so “driving” sounding.

RP1-4wlk.sty
This is the regular shuffle with walks only going from a 1 to a 4 chord.

RP5-1wlk.sty
This is a regular shuffle with walks only going from 5 to a 1 chord.

RP1451wk.sty
This is the regular shuffle with walks going from 1 to 4 and 5 to 1 chord.

RP-Trip.sty
This one is a little different, it has a triplet before the walk and is controlled by placing a 7th chord on the measure you want to hear the triplet followed by a walk. No 7th, no walk or triplet. So if going your from a C to F and you used a C7 in the measure before the F, you will hear the triplet and walk.

RPscobas.sty
This one is named after the term Scoot Bass, which is the bass walk that takes you up a whole tone, like going from C to D or F to G


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Jim, THANKS for the correction, I'm going to mod my post accordingly.


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