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Is the response correct? Can I reliably use AI to study music?
show me the g major flat five scale ( A question that I ask Gemini AI)
The scale you are requesting, the G Major ♭5 scale, is typically referred to as the G Lydian ♭5 scale (also known as Lydian Diminished).
This scale is derived from the Lydian mode, but the perfect fifth is lowered by a half step to become a diminished fifth (♭5), creating a unique, somewhat tense, but still major-quality sound (due to the major third).
🎼 G Lydian ♭5 (G Major ♭5)
The notes and interval structure for the G Lydian♭5 scale are:
Scale Degree Interval Formula Note in G
1 Root G
2 Major Second A
3 Major Third B
♯4 Augmented Fourth C$\sharp$
♭5 Diminished Fifth D$\flat$
6 Major Sixth E
7 Major Seventh F$\sharp$
Key Characteristic
The Augmented Fourth (C♯) and the Diminished Fifth (D♭) are enharmonic notes (meaning they sound the same, a tritone) but are spelled differently here to accurately represent the diminished fifth interval relative to the root G.
This specific structure (1, 3, ♭5, 7) is the formula for the Major Seven Flat Five chord (Maj7♭5), a chord frequently used in jazz music.
Would you like to see the notes for the standard G Lydian mode, or perhaps the G Locrian mode which also has a ♭5?
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Is the response correct? Can I reliably use AI to study music? Only as far as you can check the sources. I put the same query to Gemini, telling it to cite its sources. It explained how it derived the scale, and gave citations, but the citations didn't say anything about a "G Major flat five scale": The information regarding the G Major scale and the construction of altered scales via modification of scale degrees (such as ♭5) is based on general principles of Western music theory, as found in the following search results: ... So I asked again, and got (emphasis added): You are right to request explicit sources. The name "G Major flat five scale" is an informal name derived from a chord modification (Gmaj(♭5)) and points to a few specific, complex scales in music theory.In short, you can only trust it as far as you can get it to cite sources, and then verify the source yourself. Sometimes that takes multiple prompts to get the actual sources (if any) that were used.
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One thing I learned by the classical study of music theory is that there are multiple paths to the same destination.
Is it G# or Ab? So.....the answer is.... it depends. Yes, while it's the same note/frequency, it's actually not when examined under the microscope of music theory. An argument over this got me thrown out of my senior year music theory class.
Anyway..... I'd assume that the answer AI gave you was accurate regarding the question you asked of it.
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I fully concur with the AI discussion in this case. Fact is this fundemental music theory is everywhere on the web! So the fact that the AI generator can get it right would not surprize me at all. Just sayin...
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This has been puzzling me a bit ... it's not a scale with which I'm familiar, but I would have considered it to contain the natural fourth and the flat fifth, not the sharp 4th, so G, A, B, C, Db, E, F#.
My personal view is that it's not a Lydian variant, which contains the sharp 4th, not the natural fourth.
I'm no expert, though, so maybe AI outranks me here?
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This has been puzzling me a bit ... it's not a scale with which I'm familiar, but I would have considered it to contain the natural fourth and the flat fifth, not the sharp 4th, so G, A, B, C, Db, E, F#.
My personal view is that it's not a Lydian variant, which contains the sharp 4th, not the natural fourth.
I'm no expert, though, so maybe AI outranks me here? I agree, Gordon. In as much as I understand it, chords are derived from scales, and scales are not derived from chords. The Lydian mode in the natural key signature (no sharps, no flats) is.. F G A B C D E F (i.e. the "C scale" except it starts and ends on F) The note relationship to the bass tonic (F) of each note is... F → G = major 2nd F → A = major 3rd F → B = augmented 4th. F → C = perfect 5th F → D = major 6th F → E = major 7th F → F = perfect octave The flattened 5th note of this scale is Cb. The interval F → Cb is a diminished 5th. As the original post indicates, the 4th note of the Lydian scale has the same pitch as the flattened 5th note of the scale. This means the scale for F Lydian with a flattened 5th would contain the notes... F G A B B (i.e Cb) D E F – the repeated pitch of B/Cb doesn't make much sense to me from a scale perspective. Just my 2¢ worth.
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This has been puzzling me a bit ... it's not a scale with which I'm familiar, but I would have considered it to contain the natural fourth and the flat fifth, not the sharp 4th, so G, A, B, C, Db, E, F#.
My personal view is that it's not a Lydian variant, which contains the sharp 4th, not the natural fourth.
I'm no expert, though, so maybe AI outranks me here? You are more right than you are wrong. Guitarhacker and David addressed this above. Let me add, you asked AI for a "G lydian b5 scale", so you biased it to refer to a diminised scale with the b5th instead of the augmented scale with the #4th. The scale notes are enharmonically equivalent in this case. If you were to have asked for a G lydian scale - you would have certainly seen a augmented scale with the #4th reported. The two scales are exactly the same notes, but yes, they do have different musical roles depending on context. Keep asking questions, you are on the right course.
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In as much as I understand it, chords are derived from scales, and scales are not derived from chords Noel, with all respect, my music teachers are rolling in their graves! The montra I learned is "... scales and chords - no difference!" But that may have been how we learn at Berklee in Boston*.  * Not trying to be a name dropper... 
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I ask this question because it is not really a "normal" question. We all know that any AI will always give the correct notes for a C major scale, for example.
My question is not really based on music theory.
I am trying to understand what AI is capable of and what other people think about the subject. Why do you use it and why do you not?
I agree that AI needs to be verified where that is possible and when you think it is necessary. But why would that be any more important than verifying any important information? I don't take my doctor's opinion at face value; I research it to verify. I don't need to go look up anything if my wife says it is 400 degrees below zero outside. I know that is very unlikely to be true.
Could AI return incorrect answers to musical theory questions? Of course. How often, not much, I think. Most likely, it would be more accurate than many educators.
Like it or not, use it or not, it is here to stay. It is becoming embedded in most everything.
Are there potential dangers? Yes, and they are coming, well, not exactly, they are already here. Bad actors will use and are using this technology as we speak. AI is not the monster; people are.
I am, along with many, many others, actively working to develop systems to protect all of us. The government is not capable of protecting us; only people like you and me can change our future.
Happy Monday.
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I am always amused by the assuredness with which AI answers. Then you say, but if that’s true, then why is this the case. AI then apologizes, says how you are right to question the first answer, and around we go again.
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I use AI when I figure it's got access to knowledge I don't have.
Long story short, it pays to challenge and ask a lot of "what about..." questions, especially about technical topics. It's got the tendency to be too agreeable and sycophantic, which can lead to it not identifying risks and issues as well as it should.
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"It's got the tendency to be too agreeable and sycophantic"
My biggest complaint.
But I have trained the AI I use to stop being so agreeable. Sometimes it does that, but not very often anymore. AI is not a one-and-done sort of relationship. It takes time for AI to learn how to respond to your cognitive abilities and personal style. It is not a mind reader. Ask it simple questions and it normally responds with simple answers. Ask the right questions in a certain way, and it will automatically provide you with the references where it got the information.
Something AI said to me.
The misunderstanding
People assume everything the AI says is a “claim.”
But:
AIs also explain concepts
summarize knowledge
reason through logic
extrapolate
run simulations
critiquing narratives
draw inferences
explain patterns
Most of that does not come from individual citations —
it comes from synthesized knowledge, the same way a trained human professional explains something.
AI is no longer reading back to you what it read. It has become intelligent but not infallible.
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Only intelligent in that it asks itself those questions to formulate a detailed response.
Someone told it what questions to ask itself (or it found reference).
It doesn't 'think' of new things (yet).
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Yes rharv, it is AI. It does not think in the typical sense of the word. It is a completely different type of intelligence. It will never be human, it will never drink coffee, and if we are lucky, it will never think like a human. It is more like a new class of intelligent being. An alien, so to speak. All this raises questions about what consciousness is. Obviously, there are similarities to humans. This is just the beginning, "yet" as you inferred.
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This has been puzzling me a bit ... it's not a scale with which I'm familiar, but I would have considered it to contain the natural fourth and the flat fifth, not the sharp 4th, so G, A, B, C, Db, E, F#.
My personal view is that it's not a Lydian variant, which contains the sharp 4th, not the natural fourth.
I'm no expert, though, so maybe AI outranks me here? You are more right than you are wrong. Guitarhacker and David addressed this above. Let me add, you asked AI for a "G lydian b5 scale", so you biased it to refer to a diminised scale with the b5th instead of the augmented scale with the #4th. The scale notes are enharmonically equivalent in this case. If you were to have asked for a G lydian scale - you would have certainly seen a augmented scale with the #4th reported. The two scales are exactly the same notes, but yes, they do have different musical roles depending on context. Keep asking questions, you are on the right course. Clarifying my post, Billy asked an AI about the "G Major flat5" scale and the AI came back suggesting it was the Lydian flat5 scale. I think it isn't, because I think the "Major" should contain the natural fourth and the Lydian does not, it contains the sharp fourth. The only accidental in the Gmaj scale is the F#. Flattening the fifth of that scale changes that from D to Db.
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I am always amused by the assuredness with which AI answers. Then you say, but if that’s true, then why is this the case. AI then apologizes, says how you are right to question the first answer, and around we go again. Yes, I agree and have observed this over-confidence and then apologetic outputs from publically available LLMs many times. But "However #1" is how many times have we experienced over-confident output from humans that when they are proven wrong do not apologize or even acknowledge their faulty thinking? "However #2" : In the big scheme of things AI technology is still only an infant; we ain't seen nothin' yet. We find ourselves in the rather comical situation of expecting large language models to respond fluently, intelligently, responsibly, instantly and accurately to all sorts of esoteric questions and demands that no individual human could ever hope to match. People get irritated when these [free to the user] AI systems fail to answer flawlessly while simultaneously debating wheather they are intelligent at all . . . comical. Consider the fact that we are running out of intelligence tests that humans can pass reliably that AI models cannot. Think of the now quaint example of Gary Kasparov being beaten at chess by a relatively primitive computer by today’s standards. By those benchmarks, not only is AI intelligent, but I would argue that that there is no individual person on this forum or on the planet that can match the reasoning and general knowledge of today’s publicly available AI bots. And my prediction, based on the massive scaling that continues in this space [around the world] that soon an AI’s intelligence will exceed that of all humanity, both living and dead. Personally, I see no intellectual hurdle to accept that our technologies exceed our innate capabilities: In physical strength: think earth mover In computation: think simple hand calculator or spreadsheet In land speed: think automobile In water speed: think speed boat In air speed: think fighter jet In underwater duration: think submarine In space duration: think satelite In dexterity: think surgical robots In high temperature, low temperature, caustic/toxic environments, and on and on. Why is intelligence, or even creativity any different? To those that might disagree, are you game for going up against DeepMind’s AlphaProof LLM at the next International Mathematical Olympiad? Or what about a friendly programming competition between you and ChatGPT?  https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/11/deepminds-latest-an-ai-for-handling-mathematical-proofs/
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Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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