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Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. #869952 11/26/25 08:12 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc OP Veteran
OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Sancho's Perspective V2 UPDaTED - Terry sent me his wav file of the draft vocal so was able to swpa out the split. I've addressed, I hope, the telephone vocal section issue raised by BD. Terry had sent me the FX printed to his vocal so I've reduced them to match my own version, (1st & third parts), & blended my untreated vox across the section. BIAB components: RealDrums popjazzfast Right hand guitar 4162 Organ 3993 My parts: Squire Mustang - guitars Left Vantage Bass Midi piano - piano roll written Some chorus harmonies TERRY BERMAN - Main vocals & generated Harmonies This one has been waiting for vocals since July. Terry provided a draft version with backing & I had to use the stem splitter in BIAB to get the vocal. The splitter did quite well. It's been a month since this vocal arrived and Terry's unable, because of life as usual, to do a full version anytime soon so I decided to finish it with what I had on hand. Terry changed a few words and did some renovation rescue of the melody. I think it's close to being ready to master but would love your input as to what needs tweaking. LYRICS: V1 Upstairs, downstairs Too, too twain Top floor, closed door Same refrain. New tears, old fears Still unchanged. Fraught night, blurred sight, Rearranged. C1 Striding up the stairs To tilt at windmills No, no dragon slain So, walk, walk down again. Though I've lost the plot Of who is who and what's what No, not what I am But what I am not. V2 Spoken unheard Utterance Written unread Happenstance New thought old ways Open closed Restart reject Now deposed C2 Climbing up the stairs To tilt at windmills No, no dragon slain So, stumble down again. Though I've lost the plot Of who is who and what's what No, not what I am But what I am not. SOLO V3 Upstairs, downstairs Two, too insane Top floor,red door We trained in vain. New tears, pain sears Still deranged. Fraught night, old blight, Now estranged. C3 Stagger up the stairs To tilt at windmills No, no dragon slain Tumble, tumble down again. Though I've lost the plot Of who is who and what what No, not what I am But this misbegot. Last edited by rayc; 11/27/25 07:50 PM. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #869974 11/27/25 03:58 AM User Showcase
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,676 DC Ron Veteran
DC Ron Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,676	Hi, Ray. The splitter did do a nice job based on what I can hear. Very impressive. Everything in the mix sounds well-balanced. Especially like the stereo splitting of the harmonies and the prominent bass. Lots of cool harmonic and dynamic shifts to keep it interesting. That's a neat ending, too. Also like the vocal FX that start the last 1/3 of the track, but I might have dialed them back a smidge as they sound a bit TOO fuzzy to my ears. But that's an artistic choice for sure. Nicely done! DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870009 11/27/25 09:11 AM User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2024 Posts: 805 Brossac, France BYOBand Expert
BYOBand Expert Joined: Aug 2024 Posts: 805 Brossac, France	I like it. It's got a good dance-y rhythm and seems like a fun one to sing too, with lots of room for perhaps some ooos and aahs down the line. The organ fits very nicely and then just blooms in the solo.

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870082 11/27/25 01:45 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 3,030 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas Veteran
B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 3,030 3rd rock from the sun	That's pretty far for a WIP. And in pretty good state, I must say. Things you might consider or ignore: The hi-hat(?) fills in the first minute or so are a bit too dominant. I'd either turn it down a bit or reduce the brightness. In some places, there are conflicts between the vocals and the organ. I would duck the organ with the vocals via sidechain. I seem to remember that you have the Trackspacer plugin? The processed vocals are really hard to understand for someone without the written lyrics. Maybe you could fade in the unprocessed vocals (just a little bit, maybe even just on one side) to improve the result without compromising the desired effect. That being said, even in its current form, it's already a pretty cool song, and your results with the stem splitter are really good. Goldmania Bella Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube Buy on Amazon

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870124 11/27/25 06:50 PM User Showcase
Joined: May 2023 Posts: 2,241 UK WaoBand Veteran
WaoBand Veteran Joined: May 2023 Posts: 2,241 UK	Great song and choice of instrumentation, plus like Beth I love the drive. It's also great to hear the words you're singing! Some favourite Waoist Adages: #1: Play on the Way. #13: Ask not for whom the flower blooms, it blooms for you. #58: Bring consciousness to it. #63: On the road to effortlessness, effort must be made. #92: Be Love Now, the rest will come on its own.

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. DC Ron #870143 11/27/25 07:52 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc OP Veteran
OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by DC Ron Hi, Ray. The splitter did do a nice job based on what I can hear. Very impressive. Everything in the mix sounds well-balanced. Especially like the stereo splitting of the harmonies and the prominent bass. Lots of cool harmonic and dynamic shifts to keep it interesting. That's a neat ending, too. Also like the vocal FX that start the last 1/3 of the track, but I might have dialed them back a smidge as they sound a bit TOO fuzzy to my ears. But that's an artistic choice for sure. Nicely done! CD, Thanks & YES the splitter did an ace job - particularly as it was an MP3. After BD chiming in I've tweaked the 3rd verse. THANKS Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. BYOBand #870144 11/27/25 07:53 PM User Showcase
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OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by BYOBand I like it. It's got a good dance-y rhythm and seems like a fun one to sing too, with lots of room for perhaps some ooos and aahs down the line. The organ fits very nicely and then just blooms in the solo. Thanks Beth, I don't know if it's dance-y - for me it'd be jerky but I get what you mean. I've had great luck with BIAB organs - it's cool. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. B.D.Thomas #870145 11/27/25 07:55 PM User Showcase
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OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by B.D.Thomas That's pretty far for a WIP. And in pretty good state, I must say. Things you might consider or ignore: The hi-hat(?) fills in the first minute or so are a bit too dominant. I'd either turn it down a bit or reduce the brightness. In some places, there are conflicts between the vocals and the organ. I would duck the organ with the vocals via sidechain. I seem to remember that you have the Trackspacer plugin? The processed vocals are really hard to understand for someone without the written lyrics. Maybe you could fade in the unprocessed vocals (just a little bit, maybe even just on one side) to improve the result without compromising the desired effect. That being said, even in its current form, it's already a pretty cool song, and your results with the stem splitter are really good. Thanks BD, It's only a stereo kit and any attempt to EQ or MB Comp the hihat lead to a dull sound so it's something I'm stuck with. I hope this new vocal mix solves the clash. Telephone vox retweaked. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. WaoBand #870146 11/27/25 07:56 PM User Showcase
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OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by WaoBand Great song and choice of instrumentation, plus like Beth I love the drive. It's also great to hear the words you're singing! Thanks Wao, The vocals are easier because it's not my voice - you'll find that is a common trait in my stuff. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870174 11/28/25 12:17 AM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,042 SA, Australia Ghostgum Expert
Ghostgum Expert Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,042 SA, Australia	This is a concept way above my pay-grade, so I'm not really qualified to offer a critique on the music. Nice keys happening around the 2:28 min mark. As for the lyrics, Don Quixote wasn't required reading in any of the English classes I bothered to attend, so I'm out of my depth there too. Looking forward to hearing this project when complete. ProTools; Ableton Live Lite; Reaper Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 MK4 interface Novation Launchkey 61 Mk4 midi controller

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. Ghostgum #870176 11/28/25 01:39 AM User Showcase
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OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by Ghostgum This is a concept way above my pay-grade, so I'm not really qualified to offer a critique on the music. Nice keys happening around the 2:28 min mark. As for the lyrics, Don Quixote wasn't required reading in any of the English classes I bothered to attend, so I'm out of my depth there too. Looking forward to hearing this project when complete. Thanks GG, If you recognized the Don via Sancho, then you've the gist of the narrative - futility. The "not what I am but what I am not" bit is there simply because it looked good written down though it does blend with the Quixote story a little. Don wasn't in the curriculum when I was at high school during the 1st half of the 70s...we did fab stuff like Hamlet & 1984 though, and I loved every book from 1st to 6th form. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870187 11/28/25 04:46 AM User Showcase
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Brno Journeyman Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 564	Reminds of the so called new wave bands from 1980s, even some psychedelic sounds of the 1970s. Interesting and different.

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870221 11/28/25 07:26 AM User Showcase
Joined: May 2019 Posts: 5,055 Dallas, PA, USA BabuMusic Veteran
BabuMusic Veteran Joined: May 2019 Posts: 5,055 Dallas, PA, USA	Yes, indeed, A is a fun key. Man, so glad Terry showed up --and with such a good feel for the song. Definitely worth the wait. I love that bass, Ray. You say this is a WIP, but I like it as is. Is that you singing in the middle part? Cool harmonies, excellent choice of instruments and the perfect mix. Stick around Terry. Enjoy whatever happens! marty YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@babumusic51 SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/marty-straub Band in a Box, Reaper, Cakewalk, Ozone 12, EZDrummer

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870251 11/28/25 09:51 AM User Showcase
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,686 Hamlin NY	Ray, super bass and groove. I really liked the vocals and the effects you used on them. You did a great job on the rhythm guitar and MIDI piano. Super ending. IMHO this is one of your best to date. Tips on how to fall asleep in a living room chair: 1- Be old 2- Sit in a chair 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. Brno #870576 11/29/25 05:11 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc OP Veteran
OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by Brno Reminds of the so called new wave bands from 1980s, even some psychedelic sounds of the 1970s. Interesting and different. Thanks Brno, The main influence on this one comes, quite literally, from 77. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. MarioD #870577 11/29/25 05:14 PM User Showcase
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OP rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,263 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted by MarioD Ray, super bass and groove. I really liked the vocals and the effects you used on them. You did a great job on the rhythm guitar and MIDI piano. Super ending. IMHO this is one of your best to date. Ta Mario, The vocal FX are a free VST called Televox PLUS another freebee called Iron Oxide classic Airwindows. https://plugins4free.com/plugin/3753/ https://www.airwindows.com/iron-oxide-classic/ The latter is GREAT for helping vocals and bass poke through a mix. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870601 11/29/25 09:25 PM User Showcase
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TuneMonger Veteran Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,218 Maryland	It sounds to me like you did something pretty major to the vocals on V2, and the result made the whole song much better! Much more musical now. I like it. The telephone effect on the penultimate verse is okay - I could take it or leave it. Nice track, worth the revision for sure. Windows 11, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 2i2, Sony Acid Music Studio 10, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870634 11/30/25 06:08 AM User Showcase
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David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,491 North Carolina	Hey this is the great little number. Love the bass intro. Kind of reminds me of Tom Verlaine and Television a little bit if you remember those cats. Both with the bass and the guitar parts. Some great retro sounding stuff going on here. Awesome work Ray and happy holidays. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/david-snyder-gigs4 https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #870636 11/30/25 06:17 AM User Showcase
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rsdean Veteran Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,961 Northeastern USA	Ray, This came out great. I love the drive of the organ and your mustang. Excellent mix. One of your best! Bob Robert S. Dean - SoundCloud Song Channel

Re: Sancho's Pespective W.I.P. but nearly finished. It needs ears. rayc #871022 12/02/25 08:34 AM User Showcase
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Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 16,121 GA USA	We agree that it is ready for Fran’s mastering! That is one creative arrangement and mixed to perfection. As others have mentioned good work with the splitter. MP3? No problem. They are vastly underrated IMHO. Terry sounds great and has such an expressive voice. Janice said that she could hear him narrating an audio book as his voice is full of emotion. Love the lyric and band. “not what I am but what I am not” We rarely use the word evocative but think it works well for this. You and Terry always hit a home run! J&B Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos

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