Dreamtonics Synthesizer V 2.2 now supports choir mode. They also offer three different choirs SATB voice sets.
I don't know if you've tried creating SATB choirs with your solo artist, but it is doable. It takes a lot more finessing of each individual voice in the choir. The new 2.2 Unison mode makes it easy to create a 64 person SATB choir, if you already have Soprano, Alto Tenor and Bass singers.
However their new choir voice sets, which come with four individual Sopranos, four Altos, four Tenors, and four Bass voices which can all be multiplied 16 x 4 to produce an extremely realistic out of the box choirs.
If you're looking for a choir to join in on your song for Choruses, Bridges or Outros it's worth checking out.
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I was checking them out the other day. They sound incredible. I used to do a lot of SATB arranging for choirs and ensembles. If something like this had been around 20 years ago, it would have been brilliant. I'll definitely be getting these vocaloids and playing around with them. The special deal for all three choir sets is good value!
Unfortunately when I was beta testing the unison mode I ended up purchasing all the individual voices that I didn't have like soprano and bass and then like a week later they announced the choir voices
I have been testing out Choir 3 traditional choir, and it blows away everything I've done up to this point with individual voices. They have macro level controls so you can introduce variations in phrasing timing and pitch across a whole group like Tenors or Altos that really helps out. (these controls are only available with the choir voices) I will spend the demo week on each choir figuring out which one would best fit my needs. - Collection 1 → Your core choir - Collection 2 → Your expressive choir - Collection 3 → Your color and character
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Thanks for the added information, Jeff. Appreciate it. I saw the beta test for Synth V 2.2 but decided not to take part in it. In hindsight, and in light of your comments, that sounds like it might have been a blessing in disguise
I'm mulling getting the choirs. I don't often ever do SATB writing, but it's pretty tempting.
One thing that's holding me back is that things are changing Real Fast Now™, and will continue to do so. And then there's Cantai, which probably offers a better price for the amount that I'll be using it.
I'll probably download it and play with it next week, and let me ears be the judge.
Collection 1: Features Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass voices perfect for gospel, worship, and backings for pop, R&B, rock, and electronic music; recorded in English. Collection 2: Features Soprano, Mezzo-Soprano, Tenor, and Baritone voices suited for classical, operatic, and cinematic scoring; recorded in Mandarin. Collection 3: Features Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass voices ideal for folk, hymnal, and ceremonial styles; recorded in Japanese.
Each collection includes 16 distinct solo voices (4 Sopranos, 4 Altos, 4 Tenors, 4 Basses), 3 vocal modes (Bright, Rounded, Smooth), and supports 6 languages (English, Mandarin, Japanese, Spanish, Cantonese, and Korean).
If collection 2 was recorded in Mandarin and collection 3 in Japanese, how good is the English for these? Does it sound like natural English (and I know there are varieties of English)?
The first one I tried was Choir 3 in English. It was way more accurate as simulating a choir than doing SATB with soloist voices. I've then downloaded Choir 1 to compare it and it also sounds good but the voices are closer to the solo SATB that I did. The room positioning of the vocalist works pretty good however the built in reverb in 2.2 is marginal. A good cathedral style reverb on the product in your DAW makes a huge difference.
It depends if you're going to use the choirs as a backup vocalists for a song or just a complete choir piece.
Looks like I can’t upload a wave file, but I might get around to doing a video as I’m evaluating each one separately over the next couple weeks.
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Jeff, thanks for the info on the native recording language. I know that Synth V can work it's magic when converting languages, but it's probably a good enough reason for me to only consider Choir 1. If you get a chance to do a video, I'd love to see it.
it's probably a good enough reason for me to only consider Choir 1.
That is where I'm landing too! When purchasing voice banks I have stayed with the English speakers because they sound better in the music I make. I suspect the same will be true for choir. Also, like David said, I don't even ever need a choir! But I feel like I really want one now that they're offering it!
If you go to the demo page and pop open the accordion control at the bottom, you can compare them singing "Auld Lang Syne". It would be helpful if they got the pronunciation of the words right, and the stop consonants not replaced by the voiced versions ([i]i.e. /d/ instead of /t/):
My impression from these demos is Collection 1 (Contemporary, native English) is the most "pop", and least choral sounding with the least amount of blend. Collection 2 (Classical & Cinematic, native Chinese) has the "classical" choral sound. Collection 3 (Folk & Acoustic, native Japanese) choir has a full sound, but to my ear is the most accented.
The first and third collection has a Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass; the second has a Soprano, Mezzo-Soprano, Tenor, and Baritone. I suspect that those first two choirs would be best for English, and having a collection of different voice types is always good. That makes a complete collection a no-brainer, if you can afford it.
Yes because this tool works off of phonics You can transcend languages. The other thing that you need to realize is that choirs are not going to have voices that stand out. They went to a lot of work to make the voices blend. It's more of a question of does it sound like a choir or not. Remember you can test them all and I think you have till the end of February.
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Yes because this tool works off of phonics You can transcend languages.
Unlike Vocaloid, which tried to be language neutral by recording international phonemes, SynthV records voice providers in their native language, with their regional dialect.
More simply said, SynthV voices are not language neutral.
Dreamtonics uses AI to convert the voices from one language to another via a process called "cross lingual synthesis", but accents still can come through. I find that Japanese often retains a bit of an accent when converted into English, especially for phonemes that require tongue thrusts. YMMV.
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The other thing that you need to realize is that choirs are not going to have voices that stand out. They went to a lot of work to make the voices blend.
Yes, but how choral vs. soloistic depends on who they recorded and how they sang. My impression is that the English voices seem to be a bit more less homogeneous than the others, but that may just be that I don't pick up on Chinese or Japanese that well. That is, I think the English voices sound a bit less choral than the others. But I'll have a chance to test that out next week.
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It's more of a question of does it sound like a choir or not. Remember you can test them all and I think you have till the end of February.
100% this. If it sounds good to you, it is good.
Last edited by dcuny; 01/24/2611:55 AM. Reason: Ooops. It's the English voices that don't sound as choral to my ears.
The debate I’m going through is are the choir voices worth the extra money compared to the solo SATB voices I already own for my use cases.
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The intro sale for the choirs bundle is a good deal...3 for the price of 2 at the sale price. They all sound excellent. Bravo Dreamtonics. The 2+ years of effort they put into making the choirs paid off.
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I found this video which was released a couple of days ago useful to watch.
Thanks Noel. Yes that help in making a decision on which choir to purchase.
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Very impressive, Noel. A heap of effort has obviously gone into creating this new release. Yes, "Game Changer" is certainly a suitable definition.
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