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Well it doesn't look like GOOD news ...
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It would be sad for them to be done and release no new products or updates. It will be AWFUL if their demise means the products I already own cease to function!!! Is that likely?
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It would be sad for them to be done and release no new products or updates. It will be AWFUL if their demise means the products I already own cease to function!!! Is that likely? I strongly suggest multiple backups. I have two backups here and one at my brother's house. FWIW - I believe any company that ceases to provide support for a software program then said software program should be available for free.
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NI<->DRM. Only drive clone, later used on same machine will solve this. To my understanding it uses system ID to tether authorization. I believe NI is too big to fail, with roughly 1,000,000+ paid users plus it is embedded too deeply in music making community. I am not authority on the subject, but I don't know of any music making software company of this magnitude that would just close doors. Sure, anything is possible, but I believe chances of total doom are very slim. Cakewalk (Sonar) in the final days of Gibson had roughly 100,000 - 150,000 users. In the middle of the hot mess, chief hinted that if for some reason they would have to shut servers, they would do permanent unlock of paid software. I can still activate my Gibson 2017 Sonar. Having said that, I usually do a full drive clone every year 
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I'm not a lawyer but I have slept at the Holiday Inn Express.
I remember when I first bought one of the NI products. It was one of the Komplete bundles (version 4) of 6 or 8 synths. I actually still have it on my newest DAW and it still works and gets used from time to time. At that point in time they had a couple dozen offerings. A recent look at their website shows a listing of almost 1000 products.
I'm thinking they've spread themselves a little bit too thin with so many offerings as opposed to focusing on the things that made them into one of the best synth makers in the music industry.
I'm a pilot, well, I was a long time ago, and one of the sayings that got drilled into my head was Don't drop the airplane to fly the mic. In other words, attend to the main task first. A lot of companies, when they get too big, lose focus on the main objective. That may very well be the case here with NI trying to be the solution to everything. When you have too many things going on, and you have upstart competition selling similar products for less than half what you have to charge, the future starts looking bleak. And I think that's exactly where NI finds itself now.
How, or if they can find a way out of this mess has yet to be determined.
They make some really top quality software and it would be ashamed to see them fold up.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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NI acquired iZotope a while back. I'm up to Ozone 9 Advanced and standing fast.
I wonder how much AI is impacting these businesses. If AI can produce and mix and master, why spend money on DAW's and plugins, etc?
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I wonder how much AI is impacting these businesses. If AI can produce and mix and master, why spend money on DAW's and plugins, etc? I'm absolutely sure it's been playing a big part. Why buy and learn how to use synths, and acquire the keyboard skills when you can write a prompt for "80's style synth"? Same thing goes for the mastering..... Ozone 10 or 11, cost vs just let AI master it, especially when you can easily compare the O-10 results with the AI results and can't tell which is which. As Dylan sang.... The times, they are a changin'.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Sheesh. Izotope is what our productions are centered around. Yeah as mentioned you can clone your drive (we Apple folks back up multiple times daily) but a new OS can kill many fx. For example current Izotope products are still not compatible with the current MacOS that was released in October.
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Sheesh. Izotope is what our productions are centered around. Yeah as mentioned you can clone your drive (we Apple folks back up multiple times daily) but a new OS can kill many fx. For example current Izotope products are still not compatible with the current MacOS that was released in October.
Bud Yes and today's release of Logic Pro 12 is bad news for Intel Mac's. It will only work with Apple Silicone machines which I have myself but for a lot of folks this might not be the case.
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NI acquired iZotope a while back. I'm up to Ozone 9 Advanced and standing fast.
I wonder how much AI is impacting these businesses. If AI can produce and mix and master, why spend money on DAW's and plugins, etc? I am kind of a music software junkie and I own Ozone 11 and NI Complete but this year I did not upgrade to the latest versions as I could not see anything there worth doing so. To me it seems like the investors want these company's to push out something new just for the sales. If you look at how much the upgrade costs are compared to how much they added or lack of quality. How many synths, compressors and so on does one really need? I know AI has a lot to do with all of this and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I am not against certain functions with AI but I don't want it doing everything I enjoy about making music.
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As a note: My Facebook time line is periodically filled with adverts for plugins and synths. The vast majority of these are all under $40 with a large number under $15. Just for grins, and because I liked the sound I heard in one of those adverts, I paid $11 for one of those. The piano and strings in this thing are amazing. Meanwhile, NI equivalent .... in different packages are way more expensive and you have to buy two vs one. Oh yeah, the $11 package runs on Kontakt as the host.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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NI acquired iZotope a while back. I'm up to Ozone 9 Advanced and standing fast.
I wonder how much AI is impacting these businesses. If AI can produce and mix and master, why spend money on DAW's and plugins, etc? I am kind of a music software junkie and I own Ozone 11 and NI Complete but this year I did not upgrade to the latest versions as I could not see anything there worth doing so. To me it seems like the investors want these company's to push out something new just for the sales. If you look at how much the upgrade costs are compared to how much they added or lack of quality. How many synths, compressors and so on does one really need? I know AI has a lot to do with all of this and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I am not against certain functions with AI but I don't want it doing everything I enjoy about making music. IMHO if one uses AI to generate lyrics, melodies, vocals and all the instrumental tracks they are not "making music" or exhibiting a whit of creativity. FWIW, Bud
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As a note: My Facebook time line is periodically filled with adverts for plugins and synths. The vast majority of these are all under $40 with a large number under $15. Just for grins, and because I liked the sound I heard in one of those adverts, I paid $11 for one of those. The piano and strings in this thing are amazing. Meanwhile, NI equivalent .... in different packages are way more expensive and you have to buy two vs one. Oh yeah, the $11 package runs on Kontakt as the host. I have had the identical experience when it comes to sounds. I have a ton of third party sounds that sound either equal to or superior to NI's sounds and at a fraction of the cost.
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This is likely to have more to do with debt load taken on from acquisitions of iZotope, Brainworkx, Plugin Alliance that didn't pan out. All these were merged in 2023 under the Native Instruments umbrella. Now, that doesn't mean that AI isn't indirectly to blame. But it's more likely that someone had overly optimistic predictions that didn't pan out. There's a really long thread on another forum, where someone with far more savvy than me pointed out this article: https://midnightrebels.com/the-end-of-an-era-native-instruments-private-equity-and-the-crisis-of-music-tech/So why the insolvency filing now? It appears to be a strategic step known as a “transfer restructuring.” By entering insolvency, the potential buyers (Bain/Bridgepoint) can negotiate to acquire the assets of NI—the code, the brands, and the team—without taking on the heavy debt load left by previous owners. It effectively cleans the business, allowing it to emerge as a new legal entity with a healthier balance sheet.
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I like what Rusty (Misha) and others are saying. We can hope that they promise authorizations will remain possible even if the worst happens to the company.
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In the US, this is what we call Chapter 11—court supervised reorganization with some relief in debt repayment schedule..
Francisco Partners, their venture capital overlords got them into this. I expect that some divisions will be consolidated and others sold. That’s a lot of quit valuable IP.
Some are waiting to see if Muse Group will suffer the same fate. Francisco Partners put up the many billion$ for them to acquire Hal Leonard and other entities.
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