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Rob.
what i'm grappling to understand is why some folks dislike
rb while various people like it ?
maybe it IS familiarity.
i find it such a breeze useing rb with reaper.
and rb complements reaps in sooo many ways...useing advantages of each.
which is why i dont need the bb daw plugin in reaper.
the combo of rb and reaper gives me many more advantages.
so i wonder if more pg rb vids as well as example projects
say with other daws like reaper would help folks realise
there are many benefits of rb with another daw....
ie...rb complementing the other daw.
so where does bb come in ?
what i think bb is good at is say getting a song idea down fast
because of generation speed.
but for heavy lifting then i take the rough song idea
bb project into rb where i'm spoilt for numbers of tracks
and audio/midi features.
i prolly will use bb tracks view once audio/midi features like in
rb tracks view are implemented.
bottom line i would like to see pg put out more info/vids
on use of rb which i'm sure would help new and existing
users not getting frustrated...ie work methods showing laying down a song from start to finish....
(btw...for some reason i cant explain i think the mp3 creator in rb is fab.)
i should mention when i first came to powertracks and then
rb i found the number of features daunting ...there was a learning cycle.
but i kept at it until i had worked out how to use them.
as ive said before to get the best out of rb ya gotta
be willing to go thru a learning cycle and get stuck in.
i really think pg could ameliorate such by vids/much more info.
btw after many years useing both bb and rb (and even reaper) i smack myself that i discovered some feature
thats daw life...lol.
happiness.
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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what i'm grappling to understand is why some folks dislike
rb while various people like it ? om, this is why this user doesn't use rb. Back in 2022 you personally tried to help me get started with it. We both failed, we both gave up and the tech support here for rb was nearly non-existent. I then found Studio One, their support was/is great and it's been smooth sailing ever since. Do you remember this thread? Could there be a lesson here? https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=95124&Number=702255
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Likely only a handfull of us here who can fully appreciate the significance of this reference going back some 4 years. Certainly the less things change the more they stay the same here in the forum! 
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thumper.
i re-read the thread...
sorry you couldnt get rb working with your rig.
many of us rb users are working fine....as rob said he has done a ton of songs with rb as have i and other users.
often it comes down to settings....difficult to help sometimes if the helper
isnt actually there seeing the probs first hand.
as ive said rb needs more supporting vids re useage/set up etc.
rb can be a tad finicky in this aspect.
there are global settings in rb prefs and also track settings.
the other daws prolly go for a default settings set up ??
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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thumper.
i re-read the thread...
sorry you couldnt get rb working with your rig. No sorries needed, you did your best back in 2022, and I appreciated that, I was brand new back then, still messing around with Audacity. As for going forward, this rocket has left the launch pad and is powered by Fender Studio Pro. Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
And meet me on the other side-- Gary Wright 
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Thumper.
re rb and your rig.
heres what i think might be happening.....
heres the scenario..
todays advanced sound interfaces have various input
and output driver selections often for WAS and ASIO.
thus its important to select the right drivers.
basically its a gotcha.
on my interface for example i have various selection options for drivers.
thus its easy to get a prob given the various options if the right driver isnt selected.
heres a suggestion.
you say other music apps work with your rig fine.
sooo...i would like you to go to the user preferences
of each of them and log the driver selections for each whether
WAS or ASIO....THEN...ensure you use the same driver selections
for input and output drivers in RB.
follow up whether still a problem....or if prob solved.
in my interface i have to be carefull re driver selection.
ive seen the above gotcha with various rigs.
i think its got to be a settings issue because too many
of us are running rb just fine....as i said some rb users have done over 80 songs in rb and more.
another thing you might want to try is rent another interface (it only costs a few bucks for a week..dirt cheap...)
and see if the prob goes away.
hth and thats all i got.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 02/18/26 07:31 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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sooo...i would like you to go to the user preferences
of each of them and log the driver selections for each whether
WAS or ASIO....
om om, you seem to not understand. This rocket has left the launch pad and is powered by Fender Studio Pro.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Thumper.
fyi i'm looking to use FSP due to its range of guitar features..
and its orientation towards guitar players etc....big market of guitar players.
then i'll use rb to generate guitar and bass tracks as well as midi tracks and drop them into FSP and take advantage of FSP's guitar features.
this was a smart move by Fender imho appealing to guitar players...and really ups the
daw ante eg reaper and others.
i'm impressed from what i see so far.
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Thumper.
fyi i'm looking to use FSP due to its range of guitar features..
and its orientation towards guitar players etc....big market of guitar players.
then i'll use rb to generate guitar and bass tracks as well as midi tracks and drop them into FSP and take advantage of FSP's guitar features. Good for you man. I've said before, whatever workflow gets the job done efficiently, go for it. Can we look forward to details and a Showcase example or two? As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW. So far it appears that the dev team has been left alone; let's hope that continues.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Oh boy..
So is there a possibility that support at some point could be dropped for FSP..
My concern is that in my humble opinion fsp and real band together is a wonderful powerful song creators solution... probably the best I've ever seen in the daw world.... particularly for guitar players.
I love the possibility that guitar tracks generated by real band the sound picture could be changed by the guitar algorithms in fsp... just easily dropping the generated guitar tracks into FS.
Reason being sometimes I don't like the sound picture of a guitar track generated but I like what it's playing.
This I find to be very exciting. Because PG guitar tracks generated can be presented in a song many different ways using FS.
Om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? DAWs no but some guitars yes: https://guitarriego.com/en-us/guitar/the-failures-of-fender-ugly-guitars-weird-or-not-understood/BUT Gibson did ruin a fantastic DAW, i.e. Vision. Plus over the years suits have killed a number of good DAWs and other software. Lets hope Fender doesn't follow suit; pun not intended.
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Fender has tried to improve the Stratocaster SO many times. S-1 switching. Lace Sensor pickups. Roller nuts. The list goes on. Thankfully, they keep rolling it back to something close to Leo's original design.
Gibson also stopped developing Cakewalk just after I bought my "lifetime license". BandLab had to rescue them...
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? Slapping the Fender/Strat name on cheap imported guitars G&L Cortana Price fixing (2020) Fender amps with cheap MDF Fender amps with cheap baffling How long a list you want? / one thing after another Still, I do own a couple Strats so I'm not 'against' Fender products, not optimistic though, either, when they venture into DAW territory I remember Gibson/Cakewalk and ya know ..
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? Slapping the Fender/Strat name on cheap imported guitars G&L Cortana Price fixing (2020) Fender amps with cheap MDF Fender amps with cheap baffling How long a list you want? / one thing after another Still, I do own a couple Strats so I'm not 'against' Fender products, not optimistic though, either, when they venture into DAW territory I remember Gibson/Cakewalk and ya know .. There's enough precedent to worry. Consider GM. - Installed Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles. Got caught. Killed the brand. - Installed technically inferior Turbo-Hydramatic 350 transmissions in cars with big displacement engines instead of a spec'd THM400 (an excellent transmission). Got caught. - On a personal note, undersized the 4-wheel disk brakes on late '80s Buick Gran Sports while still spec'ing them for 30K miles before service. Mine lasted precisely one week beyond the 1 year warranty period. By the time I reached 30K miles, I'd replaced the disks and rotors 3 times at my expense. The issue was well-known to service techs (who whispered it to me), but never made public. And don't get me started on Stellantis.
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I never understood why this was an issue
"- Installed Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles. ."
The Turbo Hydomatic 350 cost me in my GMC conversion van back in the 80-90s .. so that one I get
I found a guy that rebuilt them and kept a few on hand, it was so common.
Nobody needs too get started on Stellantis .. junk
/It's starting to sound like corporations are in it for the $$ <grin>
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Gibson also stopped developing Cakewalk just after I bought my "lifetime license". BandLab had to rescue them... I read a little about the Cakewalk saga although that didn't affect me personally. I'm sure the folks at Fender/Presonus are well-acquainted with that story and so I'm optomistic that FSP will continue to grow in the years to come. But even if it doesn't, the current version does virtually everything I need in a clean, user-friendly and elegant way. On a side note, I love my Fender Jazz Bass and Bronco 40 practice amp 
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Yeah, a Jazz bass is on my wishlist
Unfortunately it's gonna be there for a while longer I'm sure.
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so...re FSP...
its not exactly cheap.
re the preceeding comments...what are the odds it might be dropped ?
60 per cent ?? more ??
tech markets are littered with orphan products.
it would be interesting to know is presonus going to
be a presence still in the market ?
looks like they will be according to music tech etc.
i really really hope that FSP thrives, because it would be
a great marriage imho with RB. the latter for genning loads of
gtr tracks which are then dropped into FSP for altering the sound character.
heres my prob...
i like gtr tracks that are exciting...but find some RT's bland re
guitar...so i'm always looking for ways to morph
the gtr rt's into excitement via dsp algorithms.
i really wish pg had a way to take dry gtr tracks and morph the
gtr's into 'oh yeah baby' tracks.
guitarists around the world would be flocking to pg's door imho.
sometimes ive been lucky dropping rb genned gtr rt's into reaper
and then dropping in a plugin on the track and mucking with dsp
algos....but...very time consuming...trying to find those 'oh yeah baby gtr sounds.
pg's bass rt's i have no probs with.
just gtr rt's.....gimme more excitement...lol
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 02/22/26 04:49 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
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