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After using a pc for over a quarter of a century and always using the Shutdown option its only of late I have started using the Sleep and finally the Hibernate option.
I'm loving the Hibernate option as it seems your SSD (best for doing Hibernate) writes a file to the drive, saving its state, your pc will then turn off, you can even disconnect the power and it will restart in a fraction of the time that it normally takes, when you power up again.
On an old pc here that is about 30 seconds.
Now and again its still good to do a proper shutdown so that drives or other issues can do a proper restart, but on the whole Hibernate is great, if you haven't tried it.
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I still shut down. But then, I live in Florida, which appears to be the thunderstorm capital of the USA.
Many years ago, I worked for the phone company, back when they were all attached to wires and utility poles. I was trying out what it means to be normal. Normal was over-rated, I went back to music in a few years.
I saw a North America lightning map, and the most strikes were in an oval from Palm Beach to Tampa. I live in the first oval surrounding that one.
Sent out to evaluate a repair, I also saw what lightning can do. The line from the pole to the house was empty, with a few beads of copper outside the neoprene, where the rest of the copper leaked out. At the house, the metal flashing of the roof melted, making a connection from the power lines to the hook that anchored the phone wire. The phone's lightning protector was missing, a piece of it was found on the back fence. The ground wire was gone, just a black line on the house where it used to be. The wire to the phone was fused together and stiff. It was a wall phone, which looked good until I snapped the cover off. The insides were melted.
In addition to that, there were two holes almost above the bed (the owners were awakened by the bolt), the TV was fried along with light bulbs and a few small appliances. They also had an electrician there, with house wiring problems.
When I leave the house, or when I go to bed, the computer is not only off, but it's unplugged. My data is too precious to leave it to chance. The odds for this happening are slim, but the penalty is too costly to ignore.
I've been in storms where there was no time lag (latency?) between the flash of light and the thunder. That tells me it hit really, really close.
I've read that rebooting the computer gets rid of useless data, but that was decades ago. I don't know if that's still appropriate.
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Good advice Notes, The good thing about putting the PC into Hibernation mode is you can still unplug at the wall, but still have a fast startup in under half a minute, when you switch on again.
I would compare it to saving in a game, rather than starting the whole game over again.
A proper shutdown every week or so is a good thing too to clear all the miss-behaving gremlins as you say.
Try the Hibernation mode if you haven't already done so, to see if it makes a difference to startup time.
I always seem to learn something new about computers even though I have used for a long time now.
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For anyone listening in, if Hibernate is not an option on your PC, the following link will show you how to enable it: https://www.wikihow.com/Enable-Hibernate-Windows-11I use Hibernate almost every time I shut down. Never sleep mode.
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I have started to shut down. Any saving I can make on electricity is welcome in the UK and the monitor stays on standby if I send the PC to sleep
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I was just thinking about this. For some reason, my main output audio device keeps getting changed. I'll find it, but I have to make some tests of what combination of programs causes it. In the meantime, the sure-fire solution is to restart the computer, so I just shut it down at night. Quarter century? You're a newcomer  . I've built all my PCs since 1983. [Any Windows users, what I think is causing my audio driver reset is that checkbox in the Device Manager that says "Allow this program to take control of audio devices" or something like that. It's not consistent how you find that setting for all programs. I'm working on it...]
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I have started to shut down. Any saving I can make on electricity is welcome in the UK and the monitor stays on standby if I send the PC to sleep This is quite ironic, isn't it. For years the UK government has been nagging us to turn off everything when it's not in use because "even that little red LED results in lots of wasted electricity". Now they're encouraging us to buy electric cars that typically charge at 7.4kW overnight. They seem to have forgotten about nagging. I'm told we now have the most expensive energy in the world.
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And we won't even talk about the amount of Data Center energy spent on making cats play guitar, dance and sing . . .
Don't ever try and be like anybody else and don't be afraid to take risks. -Waylon Jennings
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No, everything runs 24-7. Am not proud of this nor trying to make a point. But I DO pay the electric bill every month, and it's not bad. On the other hand, I do recycle, go for long walks and eat organic. And I don't intentionally place a demand on the AI-driven data centers. So there's that.
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OK
Devil's advocate I guess
Mine uses sleep most of the time, not only for convenience but a couple other reasons
That little LED light that stays on is so minute of an energy problem. Go ahead start turning your computer off at night instead and have it reboot and tell me THAT is what saved you big $$ on your electric bill.
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There are other reasons/theories I have too, but I'm an idiot who has had the same power supply for 17 years ..
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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That little LED light that stays on is so minute of an energy problem. It is and I don't worry overmuch about them, though the point made by the "switch off at the wall" advocates is that the LED may use virtually nothing, but the power losses in the PSU and so on are much less insignificant. It all pales away totally againsr 7.4kW for hours for an EV, though. I power my PCs down. Mostly habit, but partly that if I don't force a full shift-power-down on Windows, then it leaves some data, um, unsettled and Linux, quite reasonably then declines to work with an unclean filesystem. I also think my laptop battery lasts better if I do a full powerdown, though that might be in my head ...I've never bothered to try to prove or disprove it.
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And we won't even talk about the amount of Data Center energy spent on making cats play guitar, dance and sing . . . 100%...using power, using water - in huge amounts and providing things as useless &/or ephemeral as NFTs were/are. I power down everything and turn them off at the power socket too. Little red lights and the standbye power suck bother me on all appliances. The only ones that stay connected are the ones without battery supported clocks. Two years ago I had a comp fried by a lighnting strike up the road...it sent a surge along the phone line, killed the modem & the comp. It was wide spread damage - I couldn't buy a modem for about 5 day as every appliance & conp store had sold out...most of those customers didn't lose their comps as they shut down when the storm started. I was in the process of shutting down appliances starting downstairs and was too late by he time I was top side.
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For those of you who use Sleep or Hibernation on a desktop computer, does that affect the power settings for USB and PCI devices? I mentioned that if I leave my computer on a few hours, my audio output device gets reassigned! I tracked it down to the advanced power settings in Windows Device Manager affecting the driver assignment when they timed out. Everything is unfortunately set on full power now. There is more required to making a permanent fix here, but will this problem happen if I put the computer to sleep overnight?
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I dunno, I turn my Audio Interface off, but put computer to sleep.
I sometimes get woken up at 3AM and have to get to work quick (emergency), so having the computer fire right up works for me.
/ I am so looking forward to retirement
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I dunno, I turn my Audio Interface off, but put computer to sleep.
I sometimes get woken up at 3AM and have to get to work quick (emergency), so having the computer fire right up works for me.
/ I am so looking forward to retirement May I ask what you do for a living? I hope you have a great retirement when it comes.
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SysAdmin/Programmer for a company supporting 24/7 logistics and medical services.
Somebody has to keep that stuff running and when it isn't it can get quite stressful.
A little over a year to go, if plans work, but I know I'll still get calls.
However, it becomes optional at that point.
I am mostly relied on for SQL and IIS/.NET stuff
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For those of you who use Sleep or Hibernation on a desktop computer, does that affect the power settings for USB and PCI devices? I mentioned that if I leave my computer on a few hours, my audio output device gets reassigned! I tracked it down to the advanced power settings in Windows Device Manager affecting the driver assignment when they timed out. Everything is unfortunately set on full power now. There is more required to making a permanent fix here, but will this problem happen if I put the computer to sleep overnight? If you dig deep into the power and USB settings, you can set a device's "sleep" individually.
Don't ever try and be like anybody else and don't be afraid to take risks. -Waylon Jennings
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Rharv, I used to teach SQL with relational database courses. Cool.
Sawmill Music, yes, power and USB settings were the problem. Thanks.
I discovered my Windows Device Manager power settings were all reset to the default on my production machine [why does it do that!]. For now, I had just turned everything on full blast and the problem went away. I am reassured it wasn't something to do with the Fender device driver or allowing a program to take exclusive control of a device. It was plain old power saving that I was sure was off. Now I can fine-tune the settings.
Ray, a lightning strike on the neighbor's tree took out all kinds of stuff - dishwasher, couple of circuit breakers in the panel, and worst, my Yamaha MIDI synth (just a week before a symphony concert for which I was making last-minute revisions to my music).
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The only safe way a device is protected from a lightning strike is not attached to a power source. The high voltage and current can jump across a on/off switch with no problem.
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What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
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