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I believe that we would all buy one, if it were at least as good as an SD2 or similar. Maybe PG Music could even approach someone who could make it for ethem. I think it would be a very noteworthy addition to BB. We are all tired of these half-assed sounds from these other various GM soft synths. The SD2 is great but a similar device in software format would be more convenient, I think....less cables and stuff to get entangled with 
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Maybe but the big attraction of BIAB is its pricing. I don't think they'd be able to do it any cheaper than a dedicated synth vendor could just now. i'd prefer it if they concentrated on their 'core competence' as the say in 'management speak'. (Yeeeugh!)
Likely as not the best idea would be another tie-in with an existing company on a try- before- you -buy basis as it is with Coyote Forte with a special reduction for BIAB users once the trial period was over. Only this time a high-end synth manufacturer. The question is whether such companies need the patronage of BIAB to shift their products. With BIAB going full tilt into 'Real' this and 'Real' that, the link with midi becomes ever more tenuous.
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from my point of view, GM is there to stay.....BB is still a GM program with a vast array of midi libraries in his arsenal, the Realtracks are just another option . For studying and analyzing parts, GM is still the one I use, and I suppose it is so for other people too....let's not forget that BB is also an instructional product, and I am not going to throw away it's incredible MIDI library of tunes, lessons, etc. If people spend almost 500 dollars on a Ketron SD2 , they will spend half as much on a soft GM synth too, providing that it really sounds killer. If a product is good, price becomes relative to it's quality.... I am not saying that a soft GM module should cost 500 dollars, but if it's a really killer one I would spend up to half as much for it. The Forte DX, etc......been there, done that. I am talking killer GM sounds, not just decent ones. Only the latter type is abundant. If anyone else would be interested in such a product, please write in this post. 
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I would bet the problem is that to make a
'killer" GM set would require HUGE samples to get that better than what is out there sound, and that would be lage and a very big resource drag. There is a reason why the biggies like sampletank, and Kontact do not have GM sets. They would be very expensive. One could couple the best Sonic Implant set with Synthfont and it would be pretty good for around $100
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Hi,
I've been asking for this for YEARS!!!! We need an awesome sounding GM softsynth. A perfect example would be the Cakewalk TTS-1. It has good functionality, good GM support, but the sounds are very dated. If Roland/Cakewalk/Native Instruments/Sonic Implants could just come out with a new version, I'm sure ton's of people would buy it. Heck, make it an optional add on for the next purchase of BIAB! Vir2 has a product called "One, which I thought was going to be great, but was a big dissapointment.
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I would bet the problem is that to make a
'killer" GM set would require HUGE samples to get that better than what is out there sound, and that would be lage and a very big resource drag.
not bigger than any other sample based synth. They invented disk-streaming for exactly these reasons
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I've been asking for this for YEARS!!!! We need an awesome sounding GM softsynth. A perfect example would be the Cakewalk TTS-1. It has good functionality, good GM support, but the sounds are very dated. If Roland/Cakewalk/Native Instruments/Sonic Implants could just come out with a new version, I'm sure ton's of people would buy it. Heck, make it an optional add on for the next purchase of BIAB! Vir2 has a product called "One, which I thought was going to be great, but was a big dissapointment.
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that's interesting , I was just thinking to buy Vir2 
I am sure it's great value for money, but it's about it's GM sounds that I was interested about.
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I understand that the SD2 is THE GM module to get so why should PG Music reinvent the wheel?
I would rather PG Music spend their resources improving their current products, like they have been doing thus far.
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I understand that the SD2 is THE GM module to get so why should PG Music reinvent the wheel?
I would rather PG Music spend their resources improving their current products, like they have been doing thus far.
The SD is an hardware module, I am talking about software. Few people are going to spend 450 bucks on an hardware GM module. People are willing to pay for a great product priced realistically. The SD isn't, and everything that Ketron sells isn't exactly great value for money. Their products sounds great but are -overpriced-.
How many people are going to spend 200 dollars on a great soft GM module, and how many are going to spend 450 on an hardware GM module ?
My point is simply this: wouldn't the soft version of the SD cost less and sell more than the hardware version?
There is no wheel, sorry.
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on the other hand, with the Realtracks now I understand why PG wouldn't really invest in a MIDI module......but still, I see the sort of GM soft synth as a described before, as a missing product in the market, that's all.
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How many people are going to spend 200 dollars on a great soft GM module, and how many are going to spend 450 on an hardware GM module ?
My point is simply this: wouldn't the soft version of the SD cost less and sell more than the hardware version?
There is no wheel, sorry.
I will RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. Great sounding hardware costs between $400 - $4000 USD. Great sounding software costs start at $400 (Kontakt, Reason, etc) with additional sounds costing more. A good sax (Mr Sax T for example) sound for Kontakt will cost $150 more and that’s just for one sound. A great sounding GM module, either hardware or software, will cost a lot of money. There are a lot of great sounding hard/software units out there now, but they cost money. IMHO if your looking for an all encompassing great sounding GM VSTi for $100 it ain’t going to happen.
I will stand by my initial statement. That is PG Music should continue to improve their three major programs, BiaB, RB and PTPA.
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I have never said that I expect a killer GM module for 100 dollars, please read my previous posts again.
I have been a musician for almost 20 years and have bought expensive hardware back in the day when it costed a fortune....kurzweil keyboards for example. So what's the point in telling me that hardware prices range from $ 400 to 4000 ?
The Ketron SD, as good as it sounds, it's overpriced compared to what we can get on computers nowadays. That was my main point. For the same money for an SD , I have bought myself two of the best sampling libraries available on the market from Eastwest. Let me see, I am trying to compare here over 100 gb of professional sampling libraries , used on film scores by pro composers, with a GM module.
It just doesn't motivate me in buying the SD any easier, sorry. My point was just for someone to come up with a soft version of the SD for about 200 dollars, it doesn't matter if PG Music or someone else does it. I just thought that PG Music would be better suited than someone like Native Instruments, because obviously I think that PG Music specializes in the 'soft-arranger' market a lot better than NI does...
Anyways, this is proving to be a waste of time for both of us....no one is forcing anybody to do a GM module based on my specs. This is a wishlist.
So I wrote a wish.
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My point was just for someone to come up with a soft version of the SD for about 200 dollars, it doesn't matter if PG Music or someone else does it.
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There does need to be something in the line of TTS or a tad better coyote synth (not the WT one) for biab users to enjoy. Cakewalk adds the TTS something like that would be nice.
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My point was just for someone to come up with a soft version of the SD for about 200 dollars, it doesn't matter if PG Music or someone else does it.
Why not get on the Ketron site and request that from them? The sounds are theirs, so it would probably have to be them to do it, anyway. I would bet that PGMusic could re-market it (just like the SD), if it were available. I would want something like that sold separately from BIAB, however, so as not to jack up the price for something I don't need (but may one day want).
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I would bet the problem is that to make a
'killer" GM set would require HUGE samples to get that better than what is out there sound, and that would be lage and a very big resource drag.
not bigger than any other sample based synth. They invented disk-streaming for exactly these reasons
You're forgetting just how Biab works. It has patch changes in the middle of a song, it will use different patches in certain style subsets which could also occur in the middle of a song. Now, think this through. A big sample set that uses disk streaming needs some time to load the samples. A GM soundset has 128 patches. No way can you load a killer GM soundset that could be multi gigs in size into ram so it's all accessable instantly. Biab is a real time song generator. The first time there's a patch change that requires even a split second to load, the program will lock up because the tempo is still going. That's the reason why all the GM soundsets are relatively small and as a result wimpy sounding. Hardware like the SD2 is not dependant on your pc for memory storage. This problem does not come up when you're using a standard DAW like Sonar or Reaper. Those programs are not generating new material every time you hit play, you're dealing with prerecorded material so it doesn't matter if Kontackt or Sampletank takes up to 30 seconds (and they do) to load that killer 800mb grand piano sample.
You have to give Peter and his people some credit, they're pros, they know all about disc streaming and such but there's a reason for the way things are.
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That is a great point Bob, but for me i am talking about RB more than just BiaB. RB could certain take advantage of a better GM mod. Kontact or Sampletank are great but they are not GM. TTS is nice but not there. A better Gm set could work great with the new freeze feature anyway.
What i have begun to do is use sampletank, jamstix, and a few others and mix the songs down to wave files and with the RTs and stuff it is getting to sound better. I can then run PTPA for my play along and it is smooth and easy. Still a far better GM set would be super.
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