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If I have say four bars of notes in the Notation Window I wish to delete, how do I do this without deleting each note individually. In Realband you would just select the four bars by dragging the mouse over them and press Delete, this strangely does not work within BIAB ?
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Hi Glen,
I usually go into Piano Roll mode, drag a rectangular area around the notes I want to delete and then hit "Delete".
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Hi Noel
Thanks for the workaround, good idea.
Still be nice if this could work in the Notation Window as it does in Realband, to save changing windows.
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There are two ways to delete notes in the notation window. You can right click on the note and select "delete"; or you can just hold the delete key down and mouse click on the note. Using the second method is fairly fast as you can just keep the delete key down while you click away.
Otherwise, I'm not a aware of a method to select a group of notes in notation window to process as a group.
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Otherwise, I'm not a aware of a method to select a group of notes in notation window to process as a group.
Just try it in the notation window of Realband - so simple.
Hopefully PG Music will read this and we can have the same in BIAB.
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Yep, I was aware of RealBand (and PowerTracks 2010 does this too, but not PowerTracks 12). However, I was referring to BIAB. I agree, it would be nice to be able to highlight a bunch of notes and delete in one fell swoop.
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Still, holding down that DEL key and clicking is faster to do than it takes to tell you how to do it.
Give it a try.
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Still, holding down that DEL key and clicking is faster to do than it takes to tell you how to do it.
As I found out the hard way, it's also safer.
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I use Editable Notation in BIAB all the time. As a Windows OS user it works just like you'd expect it should ...
Get into Editable Notation Mode ...
1. In the Chord Sheet window select the first bar.
2. Change to the Notation Window (NOT the Lead Sheet window).
3. Click on the Editable Notation Mode button.
Tell us what you want to get rid of ...
4. Highlight the things you wish to delete using standard Windows mouse highlighting with left mouse button. By the way, you can hold this to the right and highlight as many bars as you want or just set this when the next window pops up.
Now, if you want to remove the notation but leave the bars and chords ...
5a. Select Edit / Cut (or Control+X). Change your cut-criteria if you wish. Go to step-6.
Otherwise to delete everything highlighted including bars and chords ...
5b. Select Edit / Delete Bars.
6. Click the OK button.
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Hi Russell
Many thanks for your comments its much appreciated.
I think I should have entered this post in the Wish List section. I was trying to point out that normal windows convention does not apply in this case. In most Windows programs, selecting a range of data then pressing the 'Delete' key removes that data. This has been recognised in Realband and from version 2010 its been added, but for some strange reason not yet in BIAB.
I am aware that notes can be deleted individually that was mentioned in my first post, but as an example deleting 4 or 5 bars of 32nd notes this way is not very efficient. If a mistake is made and the wrong notes are deleted, just select Edit - Undo.
As it stands at the moment if you select just the 'notes' of several bars and press the delete key the program asks you if you want to delete the chords even though they were not selected. This has been fixed in Realband, just hoping it can be added to BIAB.
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Glen,
Something else that you might like to try (for several bars of 1/32 notes) is to go to chord sheet view, drag the mouse over the several bars to select them, and then use Edit >> Erase from.. to.. and then select to erase the melody.
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Noel
For lots of notes in several bars, I think thats the best option so far. I have just tried it in the Notation page without going to the chord sheet, as you say select all the notes by dragging the mouse and use the 'Edit - Erase from' option, you then get a choice of only notes or chords even lyrics.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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I am aware that notes can be deleted individually that was mentioned in my first post, but as an example deleting 4 or 5 bars of 32nd notes this way is not very efficient.
Glen,
Please be assured that I'm not trying to 'spin' my own point of view here and that I don't mean to waste yours or anyone's time on this, but I honestly thought that your original concern was that you (being in Editable Notation Mode), didn't like to remove notes one note at a time. Therefore, I was focusing on the fact that you said you were in Editable Notation Mode and not necessarily on a Delete key that you would like to zap everything in one, "swoop." Realize that my answer would have been quite different had I understood that the focus of your question was about the Windows delete key and it's use (or misuse) in BIAB. As I'll explain here, from my own point of view, I actually prefer the way the delete key works inside Editable Notation mode.
Again, you mention that, "... deleting 4 or 5 bars of 32nd notes ... is not very efficient" and I can agree with you wholeheartedly. However, given the way you phrased the question, I did provide specific steps which, had they been tried (in Editable Notation Mode), would have resulted in solving the specific issue. I realize that many here prefer to use other editing methods (I've found that some don't care for EN mode at all and then there are even those users who clearly discourage it's use). However, for the sake of those who would like to use this mode of editing (and would like an answer to your original post as it pertains to Editable Notation), I'd like reply here if I may, as there is information about this feature that I've recently come to understand and this has given me a new appreciation for this mode of editing.
Quite simply, my original reply to Glen's question explains how a user (who, already being in "Editable Notation" mode), using standard Windows OS mouse techniques by highlighting a range of something (entire bars, parts of bars, etc.), can then use either Copy or Delete (either using the menus or by using shortcut keys to do the same), to then bring up a sub-menu providing the user with more options than simply deleting everything in one swoop.
Certainly I think most of us can appreciate the meaning or "intent" of the DELETE key and that it means different things to different users -- that it's function also depends a lot on "when" and "where" it's being used. Hitting DELETE and then expecting everything to be gone in one, "swoop" would do for one user in one set of circumstances, but perhaps the next user or the next time it was used ... not. Yes? So, I've come to believe that the program (in Editable Notation as Glen mentions), works just exactly as the designer intended.
To shed light on this I'd like to point out a small caveat that perhaps some BIAB users don't realized about Editable Notation Mode. Note that my comments here are based on the now current, BIAB version 2010.5. Also, I'm not personally aware that there are any changes in this version from past versions regarding Editable Notation Mode.
I have found that there is a difference in how the program behaves depending on if the user is viewing their song in the Chord-Sheet window or if they are viewing the Notation window AND they are also in Editable Notation Mode. Personally, I find that I don't use the Notation window that often UNLESS I'm using the Editable Notation feature.
While viewing a song in Chord-Sheet view, if the user selects a bar or range of bars and then presses the DELETE key, the program will respond by instantly removing the contents of the bars or "cells". Notice that in this case however, the bars / measures themselves remain intact. Alternatively, if the user presses CONTROL + X (the standard MS-Windows shortcut for the CUT menu option), the program responds by removing both the contents of the bars, as well as the bars themselves. Logically, one might think the reverse -- that DELETE should zap more data than a CUT (and maybe this is the point you were making Glen and my apologies if this was the case).
However, interestingly enough, the BIAB program responds differently when a user views a song in Notation view AND has pressed the button to enter EDITABLE NOTATION MODE (and this was really the intention of my first post). In this view / mode, if the user selects a bar or range of bars and then presses the DELETE key, nothing happens at all. However, if the user presses CONTROL + X (again, the shortcut for the CUT menu option), the program responds by displaying a sub-menu CUT MELODY OR SOLOIST. This sub-menu then provides you with a fine-tuned set of criteria for your selection (it will automatically CUT starting from a Chorus, Bar, Beat and then for a select duration of beats -- OR -- it will CUT between two selected note values at varying octaves on the staff). Note too that the field values here will conveniently default to the range that you initially highlighted before pressing the shortcut. Further, while in this view you can highlight an infinite number of notes, rests and/or measures and the window will scroll your score as you highlight using the mouse pointer.
Personally, I find that most times when I'm using Editable Notation Mode it's because I want to do more than just cut or delete something (or a whole range of something's). Usually whenever I purposely choose Editable Notation (over some other method for example), I choose it because I intend to add, change and/or remove some range of the notation (measures, notes, rests, etc.). And this mode provides me the means to instantly make changes to one or many parts of my notation in a view of my song that I'm used to seeing (my song as sheet music).
For me at least, I feel that the Editable Notation is more interactive (than say Staff Roll Notation Mode), as this view allows me to see things on a note-by-note basis (as I have been used to working with when I'm making alterations to paper sheet music for instance). I confess too however, that my bias is likely due to the fact that I'm not yet comfortable with Staff Roll mode -- and I'm still toying with this on and off. I'm reasonably certain too that my limited understanding of MIDI also has a bearing on my choice here.
While I can appreciate that the set of PG programs offers lots of different ways to skin a cat, it's been interesting to me to find that Editable Notation Mode doesn't seem to have a "following" here. Interestingly, I'm often advised to try this method, or try that menu item or even abandon BIAB altogether and use a different program, but actually (mostly by way of trial and error), I've become a fan of this Editable Notation feature. Especially when I feel more comfortable doing my edits on a note-by-note basis. I'll admit that in Editable Notation Mode, entering your notation takes some getting used to, as it's obvious that this application's been programmed (on purpose), to think ahead for the user but ultimately I think it's worth the price of study.
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Hi Ike,
Thank you for the information. I hadn't realized that if I highlight notes in Editable Notation Mode and then use Edit >> Cut that I can delete multiple notes. That's a handy little tip.
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Russell
Thanks again for your help with this issue. I must apologise, I think I misinterpreted the usefulness of the 'Cut' option you spoke of.
Like you I am beginning to use the Notation Edit window a lot more, but for a different reason to yours. In my case I am a lousy musician with very poor keyboard skills and at the moment need to enter notes manually.
I am hoping I can use BIAB as a means to improve my musical knowledge and skills, and with the help of people like yourself I am slowly getting there.
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Glen. I have entered notes in a number of different ways including the mouse. Yesterday, I finally decided to try using the QWERTY keyboard for the first time (See FAQ #35 and BIAB video entersong.avi). I was pleasantly surprised at how accurate that method was. I slowed the tempo a little for entering and then raised it back up. It did take me a little while to move the notes to the correct positions, but I think I'll get faster now that I understand what I'm doing. I did use a printed leadsheet to refer to. I entered the chords and selected the style first. It was worthwhile learning how to input notation via this method for me. FWIW.
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