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I was making a couple of custom solos in the soloist. I made one at bar 41 for 8 bars. Uncheck the overwrite box and ok'd to create. Then opened Soloist again and selected another solo starting at bar 73 for 20 bars. The second one overwrote and wiped out bars 41 thru 49. I don't think it's supposed to do that isn't it? 
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Hi Russell,
If it was a midi solo, it shouldn't have happened. Midi is capable of supporting multiple soloists. If it was a Realtrack solo, it is only possible to have one instance of the solo. What I do with Realtrack solos is to generate the solo for the whole song and then bring it in and out throughout the song by muting it and unmuting it for various ranges of bars using "Bar Settings". The alternative is to use Realband as this allows you to generate solos in selected sections of bars.
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If it was a midi solo, it shouldn't have happened. Midi is capable of supporting multiple soloists. If it was a Realtrack solo, it is only possible to have one instance of the solo. What I do with Realtrack solos is to generate the solo for the whole song and then bring it in and out throughout the song by using muting it and unmuting it for various ranges of bars using "Bar Settings". The alternative is to use Realband as this allows you to generate solos in selected sections of bars.
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If it was a midi solo, it shouldn't have happened. Midi is capable of supporting multiple soloists. If it was a Realtrack solo, it is only possible to have one instance of the solo.
That's true, but I can't find any reference about that problem on the manual. Since the program's interface allows, theoretically, regenerating parts of a RT solo without erasing previous data, it's actually a bug. I think the problem is well known by PG Music; it would be very useful having this limitation solved in a future update / version of the program. Peace,
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Many of us know it's not possible with a RT soloist. If the explanations lead you to believe otherwise it's a documentation or communications error, not a bug, which is a programming error. In either case, users are free to discuss with each other the am I right part of the 'error'. In that this is a USER's forum and not the 'bug' reporting forum, contact PG music at support@pgmusic.com to ensure you get a proper response, which, depending on the time of year, may take a few days to a week. Also it's proper to point out this thread in the report of your perceived bug.
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John,
Interestingly, when Realtracks first came out, it was possible to generate solos in multiple regions of the song using the Soloist. I used to use this feature a lot. Then when 2009.5 (if my memory serves me right) came along, this ability to generate in multiple sections of the song ceased to exist. That's when I started to learn Realband so that I could build-up solos there.
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If the explanations lead you to believe otherwise it's a documentation or communications error, not a bug, which is a programming error.
Well, even if it's a very well known problem, it's still a bug, specifically a design or interface one. According to the excellent definition on Wikipedia,
"A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways. Most bugs arise from mistakes and errors made by people in either a program's source code or its design, and a few are caused by compilers producing incorrect code."
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I'd agree except in the effort to fix one part of the software they STATED that you could no longer do that. Call it what you want. You are RANTING in the wrong place. It's like saying I'm never voting and standing on the front porch with a megaphone and yelling about stuff. You need to send it to support, unless what you want to do is get a bunch of people to whine with you, in which case you don't get the point. You are supposed to be able to make multiple solos and USE realband for that, which I suspect was the intention. But as Peter Gannon will reply to you why don't you go out on a limb and ask him. Why rant here? A feature that is removed, for whatever reason, you get Wikepedia's editors to change it to, "the software used to do X but the designers changed it and I don't like it and have a lip on, so we the editors have decided that NO one can change their software to NOT do a function and we agree with that guy that this is a BUG.
In this case the end result is what they intended, even if you do not understand that.
Maybe what you want is "the software does not do what I want it to do" therefore it's buggy. Right.
I stand by my assertion, "it is NOT possible to make multiple RealTracks Soloists on the solo track."
You can make a whack of them in RealBand.
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If it can be done in Real Band it can be done in BIAB. Also this is a great place to post a bug. Others may have the same problem and not know it. It is a bug if the software has a box to check or uncheck about overwrites and doesn't work. And Pgmusic team does monitor these posts. Sorry John. 
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First of all, I had no intention whatsoever of ranting against BIAB, I've always thought that this program is really outstanding, I've recomend it to a lot of fellow musicians for many years and, as a musician, I feel myself permanently indebted to PGMusic for giving us so much for so little money. Respect.
That said, I've never understood the kind of conservative, aggresive attitude that some of the members of this forum take when someone points out an obvious bug (problem, weakness, lack, inconsistency... call it what you want) within the program. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and doing that doesn't mean "ranting" against the program, but trying to help building a (still) better program, that's all. Anyway, I really don't want offending anyone, so I won't continue on this thread.
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Just wondering, how can it be a bug when you've been told that what you want to do can't be done? It seems that what you want should be on the wish list. Later, Ray
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Apropos creating RT solos: depending on the availability of used and unused combo instruments/tracks, multiple real tracks soloists can be used by generating different solo instruments in available combo instruments/tracks. For example, soloist #1 (trumpet) is generated in the soloist track, and if the strings track is empty or not particularly critical to the arrangement, solost #2 (sax) could be generated out of the strings track. Entry of each soloist into the song can then, as has already been noted above in a previous comment, by using the mute and unmute check box for each track the the Bar settings main menu. In this way multiple real tracks soloists can be used in a song. While the originator of this issue did not distinctly specify whether they desired different solo instruments to play in different sections, or whether they desired having one solo instrument play throughout multiple solo sections, the use of the bar settings can control where any track may play in a song... Does this help clarify what can and can't be done with real track solos?
As for using the midi based soloist functions, Russ, my experience is that it has the same single instrument to single track limit that RT soloing has. However, given the greater "control" functions of midi commands that can be edited into any midi stream of data, couldn't you insert a change instrument command, as is often done even in some of the canned BIAB midi jazz styles, within the same instrument track? Though to get different solo streams characteristic of the specific midi instrument range and timbres, separately generated solist tracks could only be cut and pasted using the more robust midi sequencing features of RB or Sonar or your favorite sequencer, right? BIAB has not been the "GoTO" midi sequencer from day one, right?
Forgive this comment for mistaking your use of the midi soloist, if that is what you were doing. I did want to correct a mistaken impression elsewhere in this thread that multiple RT soloists were impossible to set up within BIAB. Peace..
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I haven't used the BIAB Soloist for RTs but I got the same result as you when I just tried.
Also tried it with midi soloist and got the same results as Noel. Multi short fills just fine.
But like Noel I record the whole RT Soloist, then cut it apart or fade it in and out in RB.
Whether it was PG's intent for RT Soloists - can't find it anywhere. Maybe a future upgrade.
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Thanks to those for and against my bug gripe. It don't take a rocket scientist to know that this is a bug. The soloist custom window has a check box as to whether or not you want to overwrite the track. Since I didn't I unchecked the box. It overwrote the track anyway. (BTW I was using one of the Real Instrumnt mandolins for the part. There were two different mandolins I wanted to use on the soloist track. Unfortunately, it won't work.
There was nothing I can remember mentioned in the beta about it. It overwrites the soloist track whether it's checked or not. Again, it's a bug.
There may be a work around to this and that is to make your first soloist track then move it to the melody track. Then do the soloist track again. Should work.
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