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Hi All
I just got the whole mega pack upgrade for BIB and RB 2011 on external hard drive. BIB works fine but RB always shuts down before I can even start. Any suggestions ? is there a conflict somewhere ? Thanks for your help .This ones really got me annoyed
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Hi Paul,
What installation option did you choose when you installed the programs?
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Hi everyone
I have an update to this post now. Kent at the online help desk sorted it out for me. If anyone else has this problem try update your sound card drivers. In my case it was the Nvidea nforce old driver clashing and crashing real band . Hope this helps some one .
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I'm having the same problem... I'm using a Creative X-Fi/Notebook sound-card on an HP dv7-1285dx machine, and the drivers ARE the latest Win7/64-bit drivers. I'm also trying to use a Lexicon/Omega USB interface to add overdubs, (but I'm not getting as far as that step).
I just applied the new 313 BiaB patch to BiaB 2011, and the Build-3 update to the RealBand 2011. As soon as I start up RealBand, I'm okay. As soon as I open and load a BiaB track, it goes through a step of "Generating instructions" to 100%... As soon as it reaches 100% on that step, it locks up and the Program is "not responding" in the Task Manager and I have to kill the process.
At this point I can't use it for anything...
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I'm having the same problem... I'm using a Creative X-Fi/Notebook sound-card on an HP dv7-1285dx machine, and the drivers ARE the latest Win7/64-bit drivers. I'm also trying to use a Lexicon/Omega USB interface to add overdubs, (but I'm not getting as far as that step).
I just applied the new 313 BiaB patch to BiaB 2011, and the Build-3 update to the RealBand 2011. As soon as I start up RealBand, I'm okay. As soon as I open and load a BiaB track, it goes through a step of "Generating instructions" to 100%... As soon as it reaches 100% on that step, it locks up and the Program is "not responding" in the Task Manager and I have to kill the process.
At this point I can't use it for anything...
Are you trying to use ASIO in both programs at the same time?
Are you using ASIO in both programs but one is shut down?Sometimes they don't release. Try setting BIAB to MME and see what happens if you are even using ASIO.
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Other things to try in BiaB-
uncheck the 'fast generation' option
uncheck the 'use +/-' files option.
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Disable the Lexicon in BiaB. I hate saying that, but I remember reading of many problems with that particular device. Deselect it as the audio input device and try generating as a test. If it is the cause maybe someone here can help get it set up correctly.
As John stated-
If you are using ASIO, which I think s required with the Lexicon, you shouldn't have two music apps open at once. ASIO is designed to be run one program at a time.
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<grrrr> One of those things that I couldn't let-go until 1am...
Here's where I'm at now. I went into the thread "Unbelievable: Quickstart Tutorial", (and I truly thank Funkifized for expressing much of the same frustration that I've had with RealBand for the last 5-6 years.) And I thank those that suggested step-by-step ways to try to troubleshoot the problem. I think a lot of the problem had to do with ASIO and switching to the MME drivers. (For the record, I haven't actually selected or attempted to use the drivers for the Lexicon/Omega yet. I'll save that particular form of self-abuse for another day.)
At this point, I've discovered that I could use the DAW mode to transfer tracks from BiaB to RB... This is a workaround, because the file that I've been trying to use for my first RB project still crashes the RB process. (I've checked for other open dialogue boxes, other open apps, and have closed everything that isn't RB, and the problem still occurs.) I don't know if it matters, but the .SGU track I'm trying to open has both RealTracks and MIDI tracks in it. (I would be glad to send it if someone else wants to see if they get the same result.)
The second thing I notice is that when I attempt to use the DAW function to transfer the tracks one-at-a-time all the RealTracks come over just fine, and are in-sync with each other. When I do it with the MIDI tracks, (Rhodes piano and the Strings tracks), they come over, but they're out-of-sync. They both have about an extra second of time at the front that throws them off. I don't know how to edit out the extra time to sync them up, but I find it odd that they're out-of-sync in the first place.
So, I found a workaround for that. I exported the two tracks as separate WAV files, and then imported the WAV files into RB in separate tracks. (This is supposed to be "easier"?--"more efficient"?) So, now I finally have an RB file with each of the instruments on separate tracks. (It sure would have been easier if I could have just opened the .SGU file from RB and imported it...)
So, if someone has suggestions on how to sync up the MIDI tracks with the RealTracks tracks, I'd appreciate it...Or better yet, how to get RB to open a BiaB track in the first place.
Today, I'm going to play around with the Lexicon/Omega, and see if I can figure out how to use it to lay in the guitar-overdubs. (This may be more "interesting" than it sounds because I plan to make the first overlays a stereo track coming out of my Roland GR-33 Synth, and the stereo-output of my Line-6/PodXT....)
Thanks for the help so far...
But I would like to add to Funkifized's general impressions... RB may be "intuitively obvious" to some. I've been in the computer field since about 1975, and for about 20 years I was a software developer; and for about 4 years, 1998-2002, I was a "human factors engineer" for Lucent evaluating whether our telephony-control software was "human-friendly" or not. I've been whacking on PC's/laptops for about 25 years, and while I consider myself a "semi-expert" on BiaB (since about Version "12", around 2005), I keep pulling up RB about every 6 months to play with it...Then after a couple of hours I get frustrated and just shut it down. The "help files" are difficult to use; (who creates a help file nowadays that doesn't allow you to use the up-down roller knob on the mouse? or use Ctrl-F to FIND phrases in it all the way through the file?) I've watched the video tutorials, and while they point out some "features", they are hardly a "how-to" that one can use to LEARN the program.
Just my general observations... I'm going to try to stay with it this time and see if I can get a handle on it...(After 6 years, I figure it's time.) But editing and moving things around and "tweaking" must sure be easier for some than others.
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Have you tried opening other BiaB files in RB to see if it indeed is the file? If it still crashes with a different file, that's probably not the issue.
Are you running RB from C: drive or external?
Like I've said many times, I am not a BiaB expert, but for drag/drop from BiaB to RB I think there is a combo button to use, if I remember correctly. Or the latency could be in the MIDI device selected, that would be one thing to check. But you should be able to just open it in RB. Let's shoot for figuring out why that part doesn't work first.
I am wondering if your realtracks list in RB has been rebuilt yet since the install, so it knows about the same realtracks list that BiaB does (?) A missing track may cause this issue. Try opening the realtracks window before doing anything else and see if it asks to rebuild, or you have a lot of tracks not categorized yet (noted as 'other realtracks' I think) You can right-click a blank track and select 'generate realtrack' to open the window.
If you have another program open, try closing the others when RB seems to stall, make sure a pop-up isn't hiding somewhere. I have had this happen with IE open. It can be very frustrating. The pop-up window disappeared, and I had to close all other windows, then minimize RB and then full screen it and there was the realtracks window .. or maybe it was the styles window.. one of the pop-ups.
Program not responding message is often used when the computer is waiting for you to do something, but you don't see the window to do it in. You probably already know that though with your experience.
Last edited by rharv; 01/16/11 08:48 AM.
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Well first answer is RB hasn't been around for 6 years. That doesn't matter though as it probably feels like 6 years if you're having troubles.
Send me a PM & I'll give you my email address to send the file to. I'll check it out.
Just for the record I have over 200 songs that were done in BIAB and then just opened in RB for completion. I use these 200 + songs to play live and they never fail me. I set up about 15 songs per set X 4 sets. Hit play and away we go. Best Band I've ever had. The point is something is wrong with:
1. Your computer setup
2. your songs
3. Or the way you're trying to do things.
I will confess that RB/BIAB are not perfect. They do not have a large high paid staff to trouble shoot every little issue nor to make it 100% humanly friendly. I would not want that to happen.
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BTW I don't D&D from BIAB > RB cause I can open the files but I did try it and here it works fine. Combination of MIDI & RTs. I do set up the D&D options so that once I drag to RB they end up as all Audio tracks.
Your trouble with D&D may be how you're doing it. To D&D the whole song DRAG the "COMBO" over to RB & drop it on the "DROP" square at the top of the instrument list in tracks view.No need to drag one at a time.
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Hey, thanks for the quick response...
I jumped back on to put in an update... I have been using my HP with a docking-station that has USB ports on it, and the Lexicon/Omega was plugged into one of the USB ports on it, (even though I was not configuring any of the drivers in it for anything.) I just unplugged the machine from the docking station and moved it into another room so I could work on some things while watching my "Sunday Morning talking-heads news-shows." Just for grins I tried opening up the same BiaB file AND THIS TIME it didn't lock up...and everything, including the MIDI tracks, came in in-sync!!!
So, whatever it was, just having the Lexicon plugged into an active USB port was interfering with something. The question now, of course, is whether now that I have all of the imported tracks working, and the file safely saved, I can use the Lexicon as the interface to bring in my guitar overdubs!
Thanks for being patient with me... My frustration is showing... ;-)
(For the record, I did try using the drag-and-drop interface and dragging the "combo" option over, and all it did was import an entire mix of ALL the instruments into one track. It didn't break them out into separate tracks. I also tried it again after disconnecting from the docking station, and it did the same thing; so, it wasn't something caused by the Lexicon.)
Thanks guys...
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Yes, if the file is saved you can go ahead and try to record on it. If you want to be safe, open it and save it right away as a different name.. Also, RB makes a backup of the file everytime you save and you can use 'File- Open backup' to open a previous version  Thanks for updating us on the port solution. When recording, save future headaches by having the Lexicon directly plugged into a port that is not being shared with anything else. Try not to even use the USB jack right next to it, as often these are shared also. If D/D causes the MIDI to lag, I would suspect you are using two different MIDI devices in BiaB and RB. Maybe only one program has the DXi synth enabled, or one is using MIDImapper instead of a direct soundcard/synth ..
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