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I'm blown away that after all these years of using BIAB no improvements have been made to the "Endings." I still am having to arrange most songs a little longer than I would like so I can fade them out in another recording program. The fade in BIAB isn't so good. If I just render them with a straight clear cut ending the wav file will be consistently cut off by 4-6 seconds. Enough so the actually ending notes will not be in the wav file. There must be some way to let it record one extra blank bar with no sound at all. & what is the "delay" in seconds at the end of the song for? It doesn't seem to do anything. If I make it a bigger number, say 8 seconds I seem to lose even more of my song at the end of the wav. file. I have been frustrated with this for a long time as you might guess. I am starting to work with pre made backing tracks to record over just so I don't have to deal with the endings issue. Or lack there of. Sorry for the rant but to me this is the single biggest issue that bugs me.
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This post surprises me for two reasons. First, you were helped with this in 2009 (see your own posts). Second, your initial statement is false: BIAB made considerable improvements in the last two versions to how endings work and sound; this is one of the better recent changes to the program.
Since you have "another recording program" you could use Drag & Drop to take your song there, and adjust the ending to taste. You could also set that other program to record and then just playback your BIAB file; this will work unless both are set to ASIO drivers, in which case you should set BIAB to MME.
Are you using BIAB 2011?
To get a long fade, have you double-checked that you have the checkbox checked for Use 4 bar endings with RealTracks in the RealTracks preferences?
Are you up to date on the RealTracks, including the Holds and Shots file from last July?
Have you placed a hold (three dots) on your last chord, and then entered a rested chord (has to be different than the held chord) well after you want the last sound?
The heart of your question seems to be on rendering in BIAB, correct? If that delay parameter does not work as expected, try a Return to Factory Settings to make sure BIAB is working correctly.
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Matt, indeed you are correct. I did post in 09 I think maybe even 08 or earlier. I may well stand corrected. I reread some of my old post before posting but nothing seemed to work. In that case I was able to actually just shorten the note. In this case I have shortened it about as far as I can go & still have some cut off. All the notes are well short of the 2nd bar of the ending. I am using 2010. Some one said if I put a chord in at the end that wasn't the ending chord then it would stretch it out. Much like you described. Sometimes I swear I think it does then the next time nothing happens. So the other night it seemed to work or I had a very active imagination & then not work for the very next song.
What I am looking for here & I should have been more direct is something for endings that is more like what they have for intro's. 2 or 4 bars endings & if I don't like it I can put my own chords in. On top of that it would be good if you could extend the ending beyond the BIAB file length so the song doesn't get snipped when rendered. Adding delay (seconds) at the end actually increased the amount snipped off.
I was not aware until now that I could simply drag my BIAB file into my Sonar & have it play. Will have to try that. If that is the case my problems are over. My goal tonight was to try to play the song & record it with sonar but I do use ASIO drivers as it seems to sound so much better. BIAB fades just don't do it for me. They seem a little rough plus I was wanted a full ending on some songs. Plus once I got to Sonar I would have to have my fades on vocals & guitar match perfectly. Forgot about using the back to factory settings all the time to keep it from getting too out of hand. Have to rem to use this kill switch more often. One last option is to play & record into my Boss 12 track & then drag that back into Sonar. The only problem there is I don't think the Boss sounds as good as going straight from BIAB to Sonar. I know digitally we don't lose a generation for each bump but it sure seems to lose something. I will have to RE read on endings once again to find the improvements. I'm not using any real tracks at all. Back to work. No chance latency going through a Ketron SD2 could cause this, is there?
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Hi TGV. You have a lot of questions here. My suggestion is to separate them and put them in the regular BIAB forum where they will get more attention from other users.
Since you have SONAR, yes, give Drag & Drop a try. I go into BIAB Plug-in Mode and then drag the Combo button into the SONAR window of a blank project, go get a drink, and come back and it's done. Magnificent tool, this plug-in mode; much easier and faster than any other way I've tried (and there are several other ways to do it).
If you run BIAB and SONAR at the same time, both cannot use ASIO drivers. Change BIAB to MME (which is really WDM).
In my experience, choosing ASIO or WDM makes absolutely no difference in the sound quality. The reason for using ASIO is to reduce recording latency. Some devices work better with one or the other, but that's because of the quality of the drivers supplied by the manufacturer.
Didn't know if you knew that what PG Music calls a 4-bar ending is really a 2-bar ending with 2 more measures for decay. This feature was added recently.
Yes, I am aware increasing the delay setting at the end increased your cut-off. You explained it very clearly. I don't use Rendering (since I use Drag & Drop). You might want to contact PG Music Support about that one if it stall happens after a Return to Factory Settings.
As to the Boss and Ketron questions, as well as the rendering problem, again, you will find other users in the regular BIAB forum who have that equipment and can help you. You will get better support there, than here in the Wishlist.
Good luck!
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This post surprises me for two reasons. First, you were helped with this in 2009 (see your own posts). Second, your initial statement is false: BIAB made considerable improvements in the last two versions to how endings work and sound; this is one of the better recent changes to the program.
there is nothing 'false', for the simple reason that if a user is still not happy with it, then from his point of view, it's true. Just because he's not aware of the improvements, doesn't mean he's talking falsely,
especially when in fact these improvements don't exactly make an huge difference.
PG Music should really make proper endings as they do with the great sounding Realtracks. And I'll also add that they should do the same thing with the intros. Optional indepentent riffs and pieces of music, not just 2 bars with a tonic and dominant chord.
If Yamaha can do great sounding intros and endings with their fantastic Tyros keyboards, I don't see why not PG Music.
Maybe it's because BB can come up with 'different' combinations all the time the song is played back, but personally I'd have ONE great intro and endings rather than 300 weak ones.
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If you're going to the trouble of composing a song, why not compose your own intros and endings also? I see no need to have BIAB make up intros and endings for me. Later, Ray
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There is nothing 'false', for the simple reason that if a user is still not happy with it, then from his point of view, it's true. Just because he's not aware of the improvements, doesn't mean he's talking falsely,
especially when in fact these improvements don't exactly make an huge difference.
You must be a politician.
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Hi TGV,
Since you are a musician, why not create yourself your intros and endings?
Using the fabulous multistyle feature of BIAB, I've made myself many intros & endings that may last up to 8 bars, according the possibilities of the stylemaker feature. Of course, it's MIDI only.
That's great and that works fine. You have your own intros/endings you want.
That just costs you some time.
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