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I tried my first excursion with recording and navigating around in RB yesterday. It is certainly not intended to be a recording app is it? As in DAW? I have to take it's word that something is being recorded, I can not find a way to move a sound file around or delete part of it. It took forever just to find a way to change a midi track to an audio track. I never did figure out where the audio was being recorded to, or how to arm a track. I can find my way around in most daws ok. The have similar features and ways to arm a track. The transport section is set up for recording work flow. I guess you guys decided to reinvent the wheel or maybe handling audio was just an after thought. A task oriented manual might me nice. But the help section still comes with all the wrong information. That was familiar. Part of my frustration is that I really needed to do something with a sound file yesterday and couldn't even get started other than importing and mp3 file which, it could not even do till I got on line do download yet another app to make the most common file format on the planet besides .pdf, work in this app. I'd be tempted to leave out the N.
Ron
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The secret you are missing for all the problems you are having is right-click menus, from what I can see.
Right click a track name area and select Type to change to an audio track if you want to record audio. Or go into Options- Preferences- Audio and put a check in the box "always record audio too when recording to a track that is MIDI" and RB will ask if you want to keep the audio, and if so will put it on the next available track. Right-clicking the track and changing the type is a good habit, using the other way the tracks may end up disorganized...
Converting MIDI to audio - right click the track display (data) area and 'autoconvert midi track to ... " whatever you want, track or wav file. Right-click and look at all the options readily available. Right-clicking on the waveform of an audio track will present lots of different options too.
For file format conversion, RB uses an app that uses the codecs that are loaded in your system (Windows) If you didn't have an mp3 codec that could do the conversion, well .. mp3 is patented for another year, so they can't include one for you without a fee, and since most of us have one already ...
Anyway, I hope that helps. Stop in here and ask questions when you get stuck; there's always someone around that probably has the answer. Usually pretty quickly!
It IS different than most other DAWs, but once you see what it can do, it just might surprise you. To me the flow is intuitive, but if you learned on another DAW I can see how it wouldn't be.
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Greetings: RealBand shines at many things which no other "DAW" can replicate. I own and use Sonar, Ableton, Sibelius, Finale; but RealBand is the tool I prefer to quickly generate quality tracks. No other "DAW" on the market can accept a set of chord changes, and instantly generate production quality instrument parts.
Granted, RealBand UI is a bit funky, sometimes frustrating, and it is fairly new compared to older DAWs. Still I have found it very worth learning, and now prefer RB in some situations. I agree, there are some areas where RB needs vast improvements - i.e. VST, Latency, Synch, and Rewire support are areas where you may need other DAWs. It really depends on your end goal... Also, the folks on this forum are extremely helpful when you hit a snag, and that is a huge plus...
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Man Ron, more rambling. Ramble, ramble, ramble. I should start calling you the Rambling Man.
Is there a specific question in there somewhere? Do you actually read these forums? Do you see most people having so many problems with RB that they're forced to give up on it? I think the answer to these questions is no, no and no.
RB is my first choice go-to music program. It works fine, it does all the things you're bitching about. It does lots of things a regular DAW can't touch but if you can no longer read or think straight, that's ok, I'm not trying to make fun of the mentally challenged here.
Bob
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bad mood today jazzmammal?
The worst mistake Ron Becker made was to open a new program when he "really needed to do something with a sound file yesterday ".
If you're under pressure (or time restrictions), don't try to learn a new program to do what you know how to do in other programs already. Take a few days to tinker with it first, there will be a learning curve with every software. Honestly, every time they change Office I get frustrated, and don't get me started about Adobe!
You know where to come for help, but wanting it yesterday costs extra.
/remember, right-click when you can't find it. It's the fastest way to do some things in RB (like generate a realtracktrack).
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rharv,
You're a very kind & patient person. Two thumbs up to you for that. I have to side with Bob however. Mr. Becker has been nothing but a condescending PITA. He wants to drive a Formula 1 car and can't even ride a bicycle yet. He needs to take some time and effort and learn the basics. It's the attitude that keeps me away from his issues.
Sorry.
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You don't know about PM's and other things I have privy to.
Not saying your opinion is wrong, just comes from a different point of view. I think Mr Becker wants to do great things with this software, he's just not experienced enough with it yet. I been there.
It can be frustrating when things don't act as we expect.
Usually problems can be solved with a little effort, and I think Ron Becker is willing. He's spent a bunch of time here lately trying to figger it out. Like others, his frustration shows through sometimes.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Hi Ron,you have a good moan ,it all helps with the learning process,some folk may not like you moaning ,but i can assure you they will always help you in this forum ,moaning or not ,i am still learning ,so i know if i have a problem all i need to do is come here and i know someone else will have had the same problem,i too thought RB was not too good until i had ago on Sonar etc,and soon came back to RB,stay with it my friend,then come back in a while and tell us how brilliant RB really is ,best wishes Brian.
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You don't know about PM's and other things I have privy to.
Not saying your opinion is wrong, just comes from a different point of view. I think Mr Becker wants to do great things with this software, he's just not experienced enough with it yet. I been there.
It can be frustrating when things don't act as we expect.
Usually problems can be solved with a little effort, and I think Ron Becker is willing. He's spent a bunch of time here lately trying to figger it out. Like others, his frustration shows through sometimes.
Yes we were all there at one time or another. For you and I it was many,many years ago.We are still learning. The problem is that he tries to be able to do all the things we can do and wants to do it NOW.Then blames the software for his inexperience.It doesn't work that way. Three tennis lessons don't make you a tennis player.
BTW rharv when I get PMs for help I tell that person to post the questions publicly so everyone can learn & maybe wrong opinions of someone will not be formed because we don't have all of the info.
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BTW rharv when I get PMs for help I tell that person to post the questions publicly so everyone can learn & maybe wrong opinions of someone will not be formed because we don't have all of the info.
If the PMs were of that nature I may have taken that route. He actually was asking personal questions which is what PM's are suited for.
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Rharv, I'm feeling fine. You do know about the lightning hit on his PC? He informed us about that in another thread after several good folks spent a few days trying to help him track down an erratic problem. He said he'd already picked up another mobo but hadn't installed it, he seems to think that's irrelevant. Then he continues to bitch about all the problems he's having and he does it in such a way that it's always the software that sucks. Enough already. Lately I've been ignoring him but sometimes I feel like getting a bit creative, yaknowhattimean?
I've been known to get out of line here from time to time and when I realize it I apologize but I'm definitely not there yet.
Bob
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Just ignore him Bob as I am.
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I am sure that somewhere between all of this lies the truth. Mr. Becker as Rharv says is frustrated, but for sure his methods lack the attitude that makes most want to help. I have seen many folks like him over the years on forums like this, come in and stir up things. Some were just not teachable, others actually slowly began to learn. Hopefully for Mr. Becker, and those who chose to help him he is the later.
The problem today is that people get something like this and can't make it function, and then freak out and blame everyone but themselves. I remember that earlier conversation clearly, when you have a power surge damaged board, and still assume that the software program is at fault, you are just simply wasting folks time, as well as your own. It is neither reasonable, not logical.
I remember when i first started years ago with cakewalk MC 1.0 i had an old shaky computer that was barely able to hold it together just to do word processing, let along audio recording. I was stopped at every turn. I had to slow down and realize that i needed to get my system healthy before i could really get my DAW setup working. I did not blame the software, nor fight with those who tried to help.
Still if Mr. Becker asks detailed and respectful questions, i think those that have the time and energy to help should, at least until it becomes obvious that he does not really want help, but just to whine.
Mr. Becker, Ron if I may, if you are sincere, and really want help. Please ask for it, but in a way that does not make people want to ignore you. Here are a few ground rules that will help get you where you say you want to go.
1. Don't bash the software, even if it seems to be the problem, because the very folks trying to help love it and it works great for them.
2. Ask detailed a specific questions. let us know what you have tried so far, and what does not work quickly and to the point don't ramble for ever until the main point is lost in the woods.
3. When answers are give follow up on them, and give detailed feedback, as to exactly what you did, and the results. Don't just say i tried that and it still does not work. tell us how you tried it.
4. Lastly if nothing works still, don't assume it is the software, since literally thousands use it and with a high degree of success. If the forums were literally covered in complaints about the software not working, that might work, but by far the majority have no problems. So assume it is some issue in your system. Remember that the one variable in all this is our systems. The program is the same for each, the systems are all different. One program that works for you might not work well for me, and vice versa.
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5. Don't jump all over the place with 10 questions at once. Work through the learning of the program in a logical fashion. Do not move on to the next task until you totally understand the previous.
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Hi Ron,
>>> I tried my first excursion with recording and navigating around in RB yesterday.
Since it was your first time using the program, you may have already found out the answers, but there are easy ways to do the things that you were asking about, and they are listed below.
>> I can not find a way to move a sound file around or delete part of it.
To move a sound file around, select the area that you want and then Control Click on it, and drag it. You can highlight the current event by right-click on it, and choose "Highlight Current Event"
>> It took forever just to find a way to change a midi track to an audio track.
Right click on the track window (LH side) you get a drop down menu with the first item being a change in track type.
A faster way is to just press the "Record Audio" button, which auto- changes the track to an audio track.
>>> I never did figure out where the audio was being recorded to, or how to arm a track.
After recording, you see a WAV overview, just like in all DAWS.
>>> Part of my frustration is that I really needed to do something with a sound file yesterday and couldn't even get started other than importing and mp3 file which, it could not even do till I got on line do download yet another app to make the most common file format on the planet besides .pdf, work in this app.
MP3's can be opened by File-Open. Not sure why you needed to get additional software for that.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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>> It took forever just to find a way to change a midi track to an audio track.
Right click on the track window (LH side) you get a drop down menu with the first item being a change in track type.
A faster way is to just press the "Record Audio" button, which auto- changes the track to an audio track.
>>> I never did figure out where the audio was being recorded to, or how to arm a track.
After recording, you see a WAV overview, just like in all DAWS.
The two things I quoted above jumped out to me as being related. I though he couldn't figure out how to arm a track to record audio, which was why he wasn't seeing a waveform (and wondering where it went). So I assumed he was still recording on a midi track and didn't actually record any audio.. then didn't know how to see the (nonexistent) audio track. We could know if that was the case if he could tell us; do you remember seeing a 'Keep Take' box pop up?
If you record to a midi track and don't input anything I don't think RB asks to keep take, but it always asks to keep take on an audio track, even if nothing is actually input as a long as a driver is available.
Also I think LH should be RH in quote above; here, I right-click on the waveform on the right side of screen as opposed the left side (where the track name area is).
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A faster way is to just press the "Record Audio" button, which auto- changes the track to an audio track.
That may be a feature of BiaB, I have never seen that in RB. Can I do that?
If not, it may be a good thing for the new 'easy update suggestions'.
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"A faster way is to just press the "Record Audio" button, which auto- changes the track to an audio track."
I'm a PT12 user and I never realized I had to change it myself.
But it all comes back to "Right-Click".
Every piece of software I own has options when I right click.
I think I use the right mouse button almost as much as the left. Is it just me?
Wayne, (“It is not necesssary to understand things in order to argue about them.”)
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Am I right, or are we just talking to ourselves here?
This guy never replied to any of our comments.
Wayne, (I feel so used)
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Am I right, or are we just talking to ourselves here?
This guy never replied to any of our comments.
Wayne, (I feel so used)
This is what bothers me. I don't want to waste time here when I could be helping elsewhere. If Ron truly needs help but is just impatient & has a temper I feel really bad.
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Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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