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Hi Steve, I want to sing those words to my wife tonight. She would melt in my arms. Wow.
BTW, I, for one, would be interested in hearing the boring details of your 'vocal effects'
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Steve,
Thanks so much for your kind words! Glad you like this one!
Have a great day,
Steve
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Wow! Not only are you talented but what a production. From the first drum beat to the last note I couldn't move. Perfect blend all around and just absolutely stellar.
Excellent!!!!
Mike
Couldn't put it any better!!
As good as it gets. 
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Kent, Thanks very much! (But I'll bet your wife gets flowers a lot more often than mine does, though!) I am at my office now. When I get home this evening, I will try to send you a pm with more details of my vocal channel settings. Have a great day! Steve
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Martin,
Thank you very much!
Hope you have a great day!
(Have you had any luck getting your DAW working?)
Steve
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Hi Steve, You're very welcome. Can't stop playing it - it's my current fav. Absolutely no luck with Reaper. But I think I may have rushed things a little. It seems I have a program that will do everything I want - Realband!!! I'll let you know how that works out lol!! All the best Martin
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Steve,
If you don't mind post the settings here so everyone can see. I don't think anyone will get bored with the details. Good music is in the details!
Steve
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Wow, excellent lyrics, excellent production. Thanks for sharing! My Music
My TunesPsalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.
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Martin,
Thanks again! Yes, RealBand should work very well for you. It's a pretty solid DAW in its own right, especially since you can open and further manipulate your Band In A Box files in it. Good luck with it, and I can't wait to hear your next one!
Steve
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Robert,
Thank you very much, as always! Have a blessed day!
Steve
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Steve (Retake) & Kent,
Okay, you guys asked for boring details, so here they are. First of all, here's my disclaimer: I am not, nor do I consider myself a professional recording engineer. A real pro, like Harvey Gerst, may (and is welcome to) come along and correct any ill advised settings that I use. These settings are just what I have come up with, with a lot of trial and error, and the help of a few friends who have offered little tips along the way.
So here we go...
1. I use an Audio Technica AT3525, with a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB Interface. A MacBook running Lion, with LogicPro 9. All the plugins I currently use (and this can change from time to time) are standard plugins that come with Logic.
Here is the Vocal Channel setup, in order...
1. Channel EQ.
For my voice, I use Highpass Filter at 108Hz, 48dB, and a Q Factor of 0.51.
I have a strong, narrow cut in the lows at about 138Hz, -17dB, with a Q Factor of 13.0.
Then I usually cut mids at around 740Hz, -14dB, with a Q Factor of 0.39.
Finally, a Lowpass Filter at 8500Hz, 24dB, Q Factor of 0.10.
I play around with the other Parametric Bell filters, in a very subtle way. ALL of these settings are subject to change to suit my ears, and voice, depending on the genre. (I have a very midrangy voice, so this is what works for me.)
2. Compressor
Strictly set to suit the sound. I play around with this a lot, until I am happy. Don't want it sounding too "overcompressed", but helps even out the sound, and brings out some subtleties in there.
3. Pitch Correction
Only use as needed. Don't overuse.
4. Multipressor (Multi-level Compressor)
This is a 4 band multi compressor. Again, I use my ears to judge. With my voice, I have a lot of midrange that needs to be controlled down, and lower frequencies can muddy up the mix. So I cut the lowest freq (90Hz and down) by -6.0db, and on all the bands, set the threshold to just top off the level, and Ratio 3.0.
Band 2, usually 90Hz - 160Hz. Cut by -11.5dB...
Band 3, usually 160Hz - 4700Hz. Cut by -9.0dB...
Band 4, usually 4700Hz and up. Cut by -6.5dB
All of these settings are subject to change, from song to song, depending on the texture of the instrumentation I am singing to.
5. Delay Designer
Totally subject to the song.
6. Space Designer (Reverb)
Again, totally subject to the song.
My rule of thumb: I will set the delay/reverb plugins to where I can just hear them clearly in the mix, then back them off until they are subtle, and natural sounding (unless the song calls for more effects).
7. DeEsser
I use sparingly, trying to keep it natural sounding. This one changes from song to song, to taste.
There you have it! Boring details. And these are just "starting points". I sometimes use more or less plugins, just depending on my need in the song. Again, if any of the pros out there want to chime in and correct any of this, please do! (I always want to learn more, too!)
Hope you have a great day!
Steve
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It's not that it is boring, Steve.
I'm worried because I really don't have the slightest clue how to even start with all these effects you mentioned. I use BIAB and Reaper and I guess there are a bunch of standard effects built in, but if I start messing around with all that, my songwriting will suffer immediately/immensely.
Is this going to be a big problem. I wish I could just focus on the songs.
In "It's Been an Honor", there aren't any effects at all. I just made the basic song and recorded a vocal on top of it.
I feel that if I could just focus on the songs, and find a techie to fine tune them, and some talented/appealing vocalists and musicians to perform the songs, then I could just 'do my thing'.
Does that severely limit me?
Do I need to break out the old audio processing books?
Kent
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Kent, Don't despair! If your primary focus is songwriting, keep it there. I'm a little nerdy, and like to tinker with the "sound" side of things also, when I write a song. Reaper does have everything you need to do what you want to do, including somewhat comparable plugins to Logic, or most any other DAW. But if your pleasure comes from songwriting, and you are daunted by the production process, don't sweat it. With all the tools that Band in a Box gives you, you are able to accomplish what a lot of good musicians can only dream about. Take everything a step at a time. Keep doing what brings you joy! Steve
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I've been in "lurker" mode for a while, but the recent postings of songs have brought me back in. I'm not sure how I missed your song, but once again, excellent work. This is another one of those arrangements reminding me that "less is more". Lovely string builds, and I loved the shift to the minor chord. I like the way you've stuck little acoustic guitar runs into places. Everything comes together on this one - nothing really flashy, just solidly built all the way through. And thanks for posting the technical details of your vocal mix. Of course, the real magic of your mix is great vocals, but it's given me some interesting things to look at. I hadn't even considered playing around with a multi-level compressor before, and now you've got me curious. Great job!
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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And thanks for posting the technical details of your vocal mix. Of course, the real magic of your mix is great vocals...
I totally agree!
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I hadn't even considered playing around with a multi-level compressor before, and now you've got me curious.
Me too
Thanks for all this information, Steve, I found it very useful.
Regards,
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Steve, thanks for posting the details. I noticed a while ago that you had great sounding vocals. After we talked on PM's a while ago you gave me some ideas of what I could do and I did find a better way to process vocals than what I was doing.
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Great song, kudos! Love the production, if this was self-produced in a home studio then double kudos!
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"Lurker" David,
So nice to hear from you! Thanks very much for taking the time to listen and post your very kind comments. I always appreciate your input!
Have a great day!
Steve
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Noel, Once again, thanks! If my "details" help you, then I am a genius. If they don't help you, someone hacked into my account and posted bogus details! Have a great day! Steve
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Steve (Retake),
You are welcome! And thanks for your kind words!
Have a great day!
Steve
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