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Hi everybody, I'm new in the forum and newbie in BIAB also. I'm an spanish experimented musician and DAW-user (Logic, Sonar and Ableton live among others). I'm also a computer expert, as I work as a computer science teacher. I do recognize I fell in love with BIAB when I found it "googleing", and quickly bought it in the past week. I know that facing a new software must be done with some sort of "love", as everyone is used to work with some other DAW and tends to say... oooh this is really bad done... or ...they should have done that this way.... I've been working with so many DAWs not to be in that group of people (...i hope) My question: I'm really starting to be scared, as google searchs do not deny what i'm fearing: "BIAB has the limit of 255 bar per song !!!!" ... please tell me I'm wrong, because I'm starting to think to use the 30-days test payback. I really like the program, from the musical point of view, but if that's true, as I'm a computer expert, I'm sure it hasn't to be a really hard programming issue. If I'm right, please (BIAB programmers),DO A PATCH TO FIX THIS!!! I don't really want to have my money back, but I really think this is a major issue.  Thanks, and please, don't get me wrong, I'm not tryng to be rude..... just feeling sad
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Hi Alberto,
It's true that if a song is expanded into a single "once through" arrangement, 255 bars is the maximum. For reference, 255 bars of 4/4 time at a tempo of 120 bpm will take 8.5 mins to play.
Despite the above, please note that 255 bars is not necessarily the limit of bars that a song can play, though. There are ways to increase this number of bars.
ONE: BIAB uses a "chorus" system for playback where the word "chorus" is used in its classical sense and means "once through the entire song". For example, if I had a song that consisted of verse 1 + chorus (in this case "chorus" means the chorus of a song), verse 2 + chorus, verse 3 + chorus, all I'd need to do is to program verse 1 + chorus system and set BIAB "number of choruses" to 3. Doing this would have the song play through 3 times. In this way, if my "verse + chorus" system was 100 bars long, my entire song would end up being 300 bars long.
TWO: It's possible to set up repeats and codas so that those sections that have the same melodies can be replayed simply by entering once.
THREE: Use Realband to assemble the song. Realband uses the BIAB generating technology and does not have the limitation of bars.
Thus, while there is a limit of 255 bars, because of the fact that most modern music has repeated melodic sections, it's easy to structure songs so that they have more than 255 bars and will still fit into the 255 slots that BIAB make available.
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Welcome to the forum, Alberto. Noel gave an excellent answer, and I can't add to that except to mention that you can easily take your tracks (both MIDI and RealTracks/RealDrums) into your DAW software for further work. I also use SONAR, and finish my BIAB songs there.
BIAB was first developed over twenty years ago, and the 255 measure limit must be a hold-over of some 8-bit code.
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Thanks a lot for your reply, but as far as I know, there must be room (in terms of bars) even for repetitions.
And not many songs (even pop songs), have that chorus repetition schema, that easy.
Let's talk about a concrete example: Tunnel of love-alchemy version (Dire Straits)... i hope you know it.
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In that song there's an intro, but not an intro in the sense og BIAB (few measures), it's a smooth intro with sax and piano, that lasts for at least 32 bars.
After that there's a nice instrumental main theme, played with sax and the rest of the band, that's about 16 bars.
Then a slow down atmospheric piano-guitar dialog, that Knopfler used to enlarge or compress depending on the gig, but usually about 32 bars.
Then the carroussel waltz: 16 bars.
This is the point where the "real song" starts, at least where BIAB would have wanted it to start.
Then some sort of V-C-V-C-drumBreak-V-C structure that lasts about 128 bars.
Then a slowdown, and a progression till the end (once again Knopfler extended or compressed this part depending on the gig), let's say 64 bars in average.
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That's a sum of 288 bars (although I think they can be more).
This a "normal-well-known" pop song, that cannot be done in BIAB, unless you set an intro that lasts until the "real-song" starts, and then you can play around the repeat-chorus and coda stuff, but anyway it's a bit unnatural, in the sense of good-workflow in the song-structure creation.
Another problem I found with BIAB (in comparison to the rest of the DAWs I know), is the lack of markers, at least some text above the codas or 1,2 marks.
Sorry, I'm a bit dissapointed. I'm open to hear about anyone's workarounds to solve this (IMHO) major issue.
I also beg the programmers of BIAB (if anyone around here), to please consider my issue for the wishlist.
Am i the only one who thinks that dealing with 255 bars is really few?
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Hi, and thank you all for your replies. Quote:
BIAB was first developed over twenty years ago, and the 255 measure limit must be a hold-over of some 8-bit code.
That's the point!!!
I'm a computer teacher and developer. I really think this issue is as easy to solve as changing the value of some constant in the header program, or maybe a bit more 
Anyway, we're in the 21'st century, most processors work at 64 bits.
Nowadays DAWs use to have their limits (number of audio or midi tracks, number of VST plug-ins, etc...), only conditioned by your computer power (CPU, hard disk, RAM, etc...)
I cannot understand, how a real well-done program (in terms of music-theory-well-applied), can have this "apparently-easy" fixable issues.
... once again, I'd love to hear some explanation from the developing team about this, apparently incomprehensible limit.
Thanks you all for your patient.
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Thinking about why the developing team to set this limit, I think maybe it's because performance can be affected by re-arranging a huge (in terms of measures) "real-track" song, but not for MIDI ones.
It would be enough for me a pop-up that issue that "maybe some minutes needed to re-arrange this track".
... but, once again, I think this can only affect "real-tracks". Can somebody tell if that can be the point?
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I am also a comp sci prof. Rest assured, this issue has been on the Wishlist since the beginning of this user forum in the mid-90s. The registration dates you see with our names are from the revised forum software; several of us go much further back.
You can't know this yet, but PG Music has an excellent record of making user-requested changes, so we have to assume this one is just too integrated into the core of the program to fix easily. Remember that the program you see now has evolved with one or two major revisions every year since 1990. I agree with you that the measure limit for MIDI could be far larger without affecting the speed of song generation, and your guess about RealTracks generating slower is possibly correct, except that it was not related; as I mentioned, this limit has been with the program since the beginning (or at least version 3, when I first saw it).
As Noel mentioned, the included program RealBand can generate songs in a very similar way to BIAB, and does not have the 255 measure limit.
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As Noel mentioned, the included program RealBand can generate songs in a very similar way to BIAB, and does not have the 255 measure limit.
The problem is that RealBand crashes in my computer (I think it's an ASIO related problem, maybe my sound card, but it works fine with "BIAB").
Anyway, my insistence in this issue, is that I really cannot understand how this limit can be so hard-coded, not to be fixed or at least "work-arounded" in so many program-versions.
I tried to work-around it spliting a song in two or three parts and using the "A+B" button to generate a song-chain but it's also limitted by the 255 bars (you should admit this makes less sense in this function if possible)
....I'll try to fix the Real Band problem or start to work with SONAR and BIAB, but that's not what I tought when I bought this product. I expected not having to use 2 different DAWs in the normal workflow.
Anyway, thank you all
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I've read about more problems with ASIO in BIAB than in RealBand.
May I suggest you start a new thread in the RealBand forum and give your exact computer and soundcard specs, and describe your problem.
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Alberto,
I favour the MME driver (in reality Windows WDM driver) with Realband when I build songs. If I record, I use ASIO although mostly I export my generated wav files to another DAW and record in that.
Regards,
Noel
P.S. Regarding the "Tunnel of Love Alchemy Version" (Dire Straits). When I listened to it, I found myself thinking that this is not a song that I'd try to get BIAB to do in one go. There's a lot of flexibility in performance required that would be difficult to achieve in BIAB all at one time. To my way of thinking, the many different aspects of this song are better achieved by assembling the sections in a separate DAW. I'd then create an mp3 from the DAW. At least that's how I'd go about it.
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Alberto, since you're from Spain I assume you speak Spanish. You need to move this to the Spanish forum and have this discussion with the Spanish forum moderator Carlos. He's a Venezuelan guitarist who uses Biab along with other DAW's to create some really extraordinary work. He's posted some demos he created a couple of years ago and they are amazing. He's not only a very good player, he's also a pro level recording engineer, he can tell you exactly how to get the most out of Biab in your native language. He's described his setup both software and hardware and it's pretty complex. He knows his stuff.
My comment to you is that Dire Straits tune is not best suited for Biab. Biab is not a full DAW, it's used to create backing tracks for you to sing or play along with not recreate exact covers of classic songs. If that's what you need you can buy excellent studio produced midi files of anything you want from many different websites.
The song structure that Biab is most used for is the standard AABA type of thing. For large rock operas or 20 minute musical suites with 7 or 10 different sections you need Real Band. If you're having a problem with RB crashing that's a problem with your system config, not RB. You just have to get it set up right and we can help you with that. ASIO has been a bit difficult for some users in past years but it works fine on my new Win 7/64 machine. Note you only need ASIO if you're playing a soft synth live in real time. It reduces the latency. Other than that use MME if ASIO is a problem. I've used RB since day one on three different computers. It's not perfect (what is?) but it certainly does not crash my system.
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I expected not having to use 2 different DAWs in the normal workflow.
Well, I don't even OWN BiaB (yet) but it took me one session of Google and visiting this forum to find out that, specially for a musician with experience like you say you have, BiaB is more a tool to use to set up the basics of a song after which you finish it a DAW (or RealBand). (I don't even think you can call BiaB a DAW btw.) I think that the only people who really do EVERYTHING in BiaB are content with having a basic (generic) background for their songs. If you want some personality of your own in a song, you have to use another DAW. So if you didn't know that a normal workflow would require a DAW besides BiaB, you bought BiaB too soon and didn't do enough Private Investigations (pun intended!  )
Don't get me wrong, I also think the 255 bar limit is a bit er... odd, but you get RealBand with BiaB and you say you have experience with a lot of other DAWs so (so you probably own one or two...?), so I don't really see what's the problem!
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. . . BiaB is more a tool to use to set up the basics of a song after which you finish it a DAW (or RealBand). (I don't even think you can call BiaB a DAW btw.)
Exactly right. BIAB has some features which look superficially like a DAW, but you will find that it is unique and has unique capabilities as well.
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I think that the only people who really do EVERYTHING in BiaB are content with having a basic (generic) background for their songs. If you want some personality of your own in a song, you have to use another DAW.
Be careful of speaking in absolutes with BIAB. There are many people on these forums who create highly-polished arrangements completely in BIAB and use them in live performance..
BIAB was originally designed to work with the General MIDI standard and has since incorporated Real Tracks. It is not well suited to use with multiple synthesizers. It can be done, but you really have to have a technical understanding of MIDI. It is much easier to accomplish in a true DAW.
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Don't get me wrong, I also think the 255 bar limit is a bit er... odd, but you get RealBand with BiaB and you say you have experience with a lot of other DAWs so (so you probably own one or two...?), so I don't really see what's the problem!
Abolishing the 255-bar limit is one of the most requested items on the BIAB Wishlist. I am certain that if it could be done it would have. You have to have experience with PG Music to fully appreciate that statement.
Given that there is the need to use another program, it has been made as easy as possible. BIAB has been adapted to be able to drag and drop parts into many popular DAWs using the mouse. Of course, you can directly import BIAB files into Realband.
Welcome to the community. I look forward to seeing you participate as a fellow user. Perhaps some day you'll be showing US how to do things! 
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Welcome to the community. I look forward to seeing you participate as a fellow user. Perhaps some day you'll be showing US how to do things!
So hi there folks,
I'm not returning BIAB. It's too wonderful to give up just for 255 reasons
...I'll be asking a lot of things to you... if you don't bother to have an spanish "spy" in your forums, I think the best place to learn is where the developers are...
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You need to move this to the Spanish forum and have this discussion with the Spanish forum moderator Carlos.
He's a Venezuelan guitarist who uses Biab along with other DAW's to create some really extraordinary work.
I'll take a good look to Carlos also.
Thx 4 the info.
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...you bought BiaB too soon...
...no, my friend.
What I really think is that I bought it too late 
I'm enjoying these first days as a kid...
I only complain for this "ununderstable" limit, the rest is wonderful...
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I partially agree with you. The 255 limit shouldn't be on any modern program, but unfortunately it's not the only aspect of BIAB that show that the core program hasn't changed on many, many years. Long Filenames, a standard feature since the introduction of Windows95 16 years ago, is only self-implemented on BIAB (*,sty files have a 8-character limit, for example), as is drag&drop, another standard feature from Windows95 that it's not supported on BIAB (try to configure, for example, the Stylepicker Window to show the styles the way you like and you'll know what I mean). The same problem affects to the program's interface (btw, I'm not refereing to the way the program looks, but to its ease of usability): over the years the programmers added a lot of new features, but since the program's core hasn't change very much, and the interface was never completely redesigned, the result is a bloated interface that show many inconsistences, like, for example, the different way that the old "Soloist" feature (only availiable on the Soloist track) and the new "Soloist Realtracks" (availiable on any track, but conceptually identical to the first one) works.
That said, I keep buying, if I can afford it, all program updates and new Realtracks. Why? Because, simply said, you're not going to find any other program designed to create backing tracks that can offer the incredible quality, versatility and realism that BIAB is known for. Realtracks, introduced with BIAB 2008, were a real major step on the evoution on the program, and from then I like to think on BIAB as a great collection of great musicians always ready to play any chord progression you write to them. The greatness of the program resides on its incredible rich (and growing) musical database, and the basic concept of the program (just write the chords and obtain and instant professional backing track in the style you choose) is still great.
So, even with its (sometimes irritating) faults, the program is a pleasure for musicians, and I continue to buying and recommend it. My advice: learn it, use it and enjoy it, while you wait for a greater, easier, more modern version that would produce the same incredible results with much less effort and frustration.
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Alberto,
Most synthesizers/arrangers stop at 255 bar limit as well. With Biab, 255 bars is more then enough cause you can set it to play back those 255 bars many times over.
I have never reached near 255 bars for any song I have done within Biab. Maybe at a tempo of 300 it will go through them fast, but you can set the number of chorus' and playback as well.
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Be careful. You can find over 10,000 band in a box songs hidden on the internet. Once you have them you wonder what if I take this song, kill the melody, change it from a folk style to Gypsy Jazz, and then play along. Then you change it again, they you try another song, and next thing you know it's late and you go to bed and wake up and do it again and again.
Far better to forget the software and not think about the girl from ipapa-wherever, and how it might sound with a bass intro, then a snare drum for 3 bars with the bass and then a brass..but at a slower tempo and you want a solo and band in a box can do all that but you will probably become addicted and you end up spending days messing around, picking up instruments, printing leadsheets for horns...NO! Just return it now. Take your fingers off the keyboard.
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Most synthesizers/arrangers stop at 255 bar limit as well. With Biab, 255 bars is more then enough cause you can set it to play back those 255 bars many times over.
I have never reached near 255 bars for any song I have done within Biab. Maybe at a tempo of 300 it will go through them fast, but you can set the number of chorus' and playback as well.
Trax
Hi Trax,
I also worked many years with hard-coded sequencers in my syths (Yamahas, mostly), and had a lot of fun, but lots of wasted hours making things which take just one clic in any modern DAW.
I think being critical with yourself is not bad never.
I think Cerio is more honest in is post-reply.
He's just saying what many of us think: BIAB is near heaven, but he's out, just by details.... in fact many details, and many of them difficult to understand (from a "software-developing" point of view).
Musically speaking it's great.... but, it's a shame... it's almost there....
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Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!
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Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!
Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
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202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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