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John, it's funny you should mention Troll. A troll is an old Norwegian word and used today not so much in mainland Scotland but certainly in Orkney & Shetland.
Trolls are described Fairy folk of Orkney and Shetland, who love music and dancing and can interfere in the affairs of men. The Shetland word for a troll is a trow.
LOL LOL LOL LOL
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But Furry that's just like me, in that in my kilt I admit to being a cross dresser. And provide provocative manure as a side line.
Neigh 'tis that I look at meself in the mirror and I see my chest in my drawers.
As to wee people they are everywhere, a few nips and they try to steal it. A few more and they do indeed sing and dance. Trolls it is then!
My family talked more of mermaids and faires of the Islands. I'd drink far more if I lived there. LOL
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Musica est vita
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The other issue is the expense of the hard drive. Getting it back and it is now used, and been thru transit twice. All cost involved.
To label our new friend a troll is unfair, but i think Rharv was close to truth, in that i don't think you have given the program a fair shake. The RB program attached is worth the money. the combo is very powerful. There is nothing like this package out there.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
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John I worked In the Shetland islands as a 16 yr old greenhorn. It was there I got my love for the accordion. If I was single again ( sigh ) I'd move back in an instant
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One question I wouldn't have minded before purchasing is, "Are you willing to pay $28 to ship the USB drive to Canada?" Because that is the only option you have for getting your money back.
If there were a demo this wouldn't be happening. I question the claim that a demo would be too big to download because I downloaded enough of the software that I purchased to determine that it's not worth $300 to me. I haven't even received the USB drive yet.
It's odd policy that they give you an option NOT to take the drive, but if you took that option you would get no discount to compensate for passing on the USB drive. I definitely would have taken a discounted price over the drive. I don't know why anybody wouldn't take the drive since they are being charged for it anyways.
I don't care for the software. It's not right for me. I know that there are great fans of this software here, and I respect them and their music.
I was lured by a generous money-back policy, opted to receive a drive because it made financial sense, and now I pay for my mistake.
you make a good point, and IMHO, you have been very gracious in your presentation. It probably wouldn't hurt to say "risk nothing but shipping costs" but to be fair, none of the money you risked went to PGMusic.
The law of the marketplace "let the buyer beware" has always placed the burden of making a good decision on the customer. If you are suggesting that PGMusic misled you, I'd have to disagree. Shipping costs have been around long enough for anyone to know that sending a product back is going to cost something.
Regarding the integrity if PGMusic... I have to agree with others who said that PGM stands alone in offering ANY money back for opened software. Yet they offer a refund of 100% of what they received. They have no control over Fed Ex , postal service or UPS policy. If there is a bad guy in this story, I don't see how it could be PGMusic. To my eyes, their money back guarantee policy is a good faith offering. They did exactly what they promised.
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es175player,
I have been following this thread for awhile now and just relaized how much time I have wasted on a 28.00 point. Again all this ink for 28.00 and as Pat outlined the 28.00 is for a third party, not PGM.
I would love to know how many 28.00 bucks or much more I spent/lost in my lifetime because the product or service I purchased or contracted was not 100% what I wanted. I also know that deep down inside part of the blame has to be placed on me, i.e. for not doing a deep enough research of the product vs. the features I wanted, so I gambled and in some cases lost. My advice unsolicited as it may be is either fish or cut bait . . . either spend the 28.00 sending it back or pay for the product and take the time to explore it in depth as I am sure there will be many features you will learn to love. But in no way would I expect PGM or any other manafacture to send mne the 28.00.
PS: I love the ES175, I still may own one someday.
Best of Luck,
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I ussually refrain from these things but I have to hit this one. Right on PGMusic Home page. Quote:
When you purchase ANY product directly from PG Music Inc., you are automatically covered by our 30 Day Money Back Guarantee.
If for any reason you are not completely satisified with the purchase you made directly from PG Music Inc., simply contact us within 30 days of your order, and we will refund the purchase price (shipping charges not included) - no questions asked!
What more do you want them to do!
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es175Player
Sorry that your expectations were not met.
Man, I learned my lesson years ago! If I'm interested in a product (especially software) I do my research! Visit the forums, watch the videos, and if possible talk to other musician friends of mine who might have the product. Anything I can to get as crystal clear a picture of this product as possible!!
I'm curious though as to why you don't like the product. Did you watch the online videos beforehand? Was there something you saw or heard on the videos that you felt was misleading?
Actually the videos are what pushed me to purchase my 2011.5 UltraPlus Pak, and when I recieved it, it performed exactly as advertised!!
Now it's "another" weapon that I use in my studio with my main DAW Sonar 8.5 and X1 and a host of other sequencers, VST's and Live Instruments (as well as an incredible practice tool)!
I've found that these things are just tools, it's "me" that creates the "magic". It's my job to learn how to "use the tools" to their fullest (which I'm still doing with BIAB) and then incorporate it into my creative flow!
Good Luck!
It's not what you're "Playing", It's what you're "Saying"!
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es175player, I must echo EVERYTHING that Harpo said. The latest BIAB & RealBand are wonderful tools for any musician who is prepared to experiment with them....and use them to suit. I've just had a solo gig at a Jazz do.....the trumpeter was knocked at at the standard of my backings....Real Tracks. He was particularly knocked out by the Bass Player...swapping 4 bar solos with me!  (pretty basic editing....if I can do it....anyone can!) I think the beauty of BIAB now, is the variety of ways in which it can be used.....by pros & hobbyists alike. Have another think please?  Joe G.
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I also would like to know what you don't like about the program. I'm not even close to being a power user but I find Biab to be an incredible value.
The harder I work the luckier I get.
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He was a troll. When I hit him with my post he never came back.
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Yup - a troll ... hope, he took the next trolly to get outta Dodge 
Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
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These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
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-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
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- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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