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Hello, I’m new to this forum but not to BIAB. I had my first BIAB in the early 90s (floppy disks). Because I was more interested in rock than in jazz and dance music, I started using VOYETRA SPG, which I replaced with CUBASE. Now and then I had an update of BIAB, but CUBASE was always one step ahead as for sounds and possibilities. So BIAB has been neglected for all these years.
Maybe things are changing now by a little feature in version 2012, namely the possibility to use more than one VST in a song (style).
I am using SAMPLETANK2 for “Default Synth” (drums on 10, bass on 2, guitar on 7, organ or synth on 6, piano on 3). I tried to work out the patches and effects of SAMPLETANK, so some of the songs and styles (rock/pop/blues) sound pretty good. I want to use this a basis.
Then, as a cherry on the cake, I want to use REALSTRAT or REALLPC with SAMPLITUBE 3 for the guitar track. Maybe NI B4 II ore OMNISPHERE or MINIMOOG2 for the string track. No problem as far as.
I never got really used to the structures of BIAB. But I could solve the problem caused by a style change. Then I disabled all REALDRUMS and REALTRACKS, so I can use the related songs and styles.
BUT……..
Each time I load another song or BIAB has to be restarted, all is reduced to SAMPLETANK.
I tried to save presets, I tried do disable Song overrides. I doesn’t work. I would like to have my “Soundregistration” as a standard.
Many times I found a solution or an explanation by reading this forum. But I think this approach is too exotic and the feature is to new. So I hope to get help or a good idea by writing this thread.
I had preferred to explain this in my own language (it’s a little like a English homework), but the German forum doesn’t seem to be very crowded.
Thank you in anticipation
Willi
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i think you need to got into the vst dialog and choose soundregistration as your default vst synth... just load the synth and press the default synth button... you should be good to go..
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Thanks for your reply, Phil. But to be honest, I’m a bit at a loss. I’m worrying that I didn’t succeed to put my problem across.
I choose SAMPLETANK as my default vst synth and it works. I can hear all ST sounds by setting the right midi channels.
Then I want to add a second and third vst:
REALSTRAT plus AMPLITUBE 3 for the guitar section vst.
For the string section I add KONTAKT or MINIMOOG V.
Then I would like try out the sounds in styles and songs to see what matches up.
I can do this while changing the styles.
But as soon as I load a new song, my second and third vst have disappeared.
I want all three vsts together as a standard.
Maybe I didn’t understand the vst integration enough or my preference settings are insufficient.
If so, I would like to learn from my faults.
Thanks
Willi
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I believe you can only have one default VST instrument. Which is why Kontakt and Minimoog are being cleared out when you load in a new song.
On the other hand, there's an old trick that works for all kinds of music programs: you can create own default song, with all three of those synths, and after you click New Song you can load that. (If you name that one NONAME.SGU, it'll load automatically when you click New Song.)
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The VST synth settings are saved with each song (I believe) so the problem will likely persist. filkertom's settings idea will work for a *new* song, but if another song is loaded it will reload the synths from the saved song file.
I think your problem will persist with the way things work right now;
maybe put a post in the wishlist section to be able to save default setups, as currently I think BiaB only saves one synth in the default setup.
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The VST synth settings are saved with each song (I believe) so the problem will likely persist. filkertom's settings idea will work for a *new* song, but if another song is loaded it will reload the synths from the saved song file....
Correct, or at least that's my experience as well. There is a way to save complete configurations though. Use the 'Save Group' and 'Load Group' buttons. This saves or loads the complete config to a .tgs file. Make separate folders and give your files extra long descriptive file names to keep track of things.
To test this for main synth, load a style that has midi, and click your vst button. (for new users: it's right of the rec button. If it's hid, click the little double arrows.) Starting with the bass load some instruments in all your channels. Don't spend any time tweaking, we're not worried about what it sounds like at the moment. Click the 'save group' button, make a subfolder with descriptive name, then give your file a very long descriptive name and save it. Then, just to prove the point, assign a different synth as you main one. Then reopen your song or style and play a few bars on the new synth, stop it and hit your vst button. Hit 'load group', find your tgs file and ST should load with the exact config you saved it as.
For the mixer window, you can do other tricks if you want, such as using combi's for your sounds, and some of the things you mentioned above.
It's quite a bit of work, but as you are working on songs, save your configs to tgs files, as well as the song you're working on. Pretty soon you'll have a nice little collection. I use Cayote for my main synth. It sounds awful, but it loads fast and gives a fair representation of the style. Then if I find something I think I might want to work on, I load a tgs file that suits the style. I use it similar to the old combo button on biab for those who remember that.
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Cool idea. I like those tgs files too. I've got a nice big folder full of them. Now I see another use.
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Cool idea. I like those tgs files too. I've got a nice big folder full of them. Now I see another use.
I just found out PG has made a few for Amplitude already. If you load Amplitude, hit the load grp button and they have a few tgs files saved for you already. Kool!
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