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Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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BIAB for Mac is way behind the windows version.
It seems clear that there are very separate “code branches” for each platform and so progress on OSX is slow.
wouldn't it make sense to put a pause on Windows development and apply “all hands on deck” to consolidating the code base
to allow better cross-platform development?,
Us OSX users for example don’t get ANY of the features for supporting plugins, Audiounits and the like. Nor the conductor features. It seems that
BIAB for OSX is written very much in parallel to windows.
i will be glad yo offer you my services to assist with rewriting this stuff.
I have much experience in working with C++ and REALbasic - which is a great cross-platform tool/IDE/language for writing app GUIs that work great on both platforms. I also have an in-house source code translator that i wrote myself, which allows me to convert REALbasic source code into pure C++, where i need the
extra performance edge, or features that RB cannot give me. If you PM me i will be glad to give you more information. And would be glad to offer my services to
help you unify your codebase once and for all.
I’m sure your current arrangement must be a right mess - not to mention that much of the BIAB GUI is just ugly and hasn’t been changed since the Atari ST !
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
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Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Excellent post and points. The GUI, while being old and familiar, a bit like a favourite old shirt, could do with some modernizing.
Also, Mac users need features such as you've mentioned, but also full notation and lead sheet functionality. That is sorely needed for those who use BIAB either live or in a studio setting.
Yet we Mac users pay the same price for BIAB as Windows users. So surely, the least we can expect is the same full implementation of all features?
And I'd rather have the features catch up to the Windows version than see a drop in price for the Mac version. I'm happy to have paid for the Everything Pak on its own HD, but the more I play with it, the more I see missing from the Windows version that a friend and co-musician runs.
Imagine if Adobe put out the Mac version of Photoshop for the same price as the Windows version, but left out a whole bunch of features??? Same thing....
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Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Excellent post and points. The GUI, while being old and familiar, a bit like a favourite old shirt, could do with some modernizing.
Also, Mac users need features such as you've mentioned, but also full notation and lead sheet functionality. That is sorely needed for those who use BIAB either live or in a studio setting.
Yet we Mac users pay the same price for BIAB as Windows users. So surely, the least we can expect is the same full implementation of all features?
And I'd rather have the features catch up to the Windows version than see a drop in price for the Mac version. I'm happy to have paid for the Everything Pak on its own HD, but the more I play with it, the more I see missing from the Windows version that a friend and co-musician runs.
Imagine if Adobe put out the Mac version of Photoshop for the same price as the Windows version, but left out a whole bunch of features??? Same thing....
1. The company is not a government organization. They do what they do to make money. If there was money in it then they would hire all the required people. Mac systems have not reached 10 percent market share, and it might be a long time for there to be 'more', especially now that Mr. Jobs has departed.
2. The software was orphaned by generations of Operating Systems which lacked any compiler for the software.
3. Mac software is a one trick pony as pertains to the operating system of the day. The Mac folks may re-write some drivers or other thing and hamstring your program. And Mac users want the software to be look and feel like everything else.
So I guess unless you understand and can code in Lisp or whatever it was the PC version was written in, the ability to write in C or Cplus or plus plus whatever is moot.
I'd suspect that if there are efforts to move forward in development, that modules are being ported one at a time for 64 bit computing platforms.
In the great timeline of computing evolution there will come a day when the hardware will query the software and adapt for it. Until that day, Mac will continue to try to offer a closed everything is here that you need shop. If they wanted an open source thing it would have happened long ago. Truth is they want things to be an app for their computer, their phone, and their player.
Hollywood here you come.
Perhaps if Mac users paid double the development team would switch gears, I don't know.
Free Enterprise is still alive anyway.
Perhaps someday Dr. Gannon will pen a memoir and we can all see the evolution of the software and the impediments that exist to make a cross platform piece of software that runs on windows, linux, and mac. Until then it is what it is I guess.
BTW, I spent most of my adult life running a Unix shop, and much of the software I wrote is still running Canada's largest chain of fitness clubs. My wife was a key component and I sold her with the company to the Good Life guys, and she's still there, 26 years and counting.
I wish she'd come home for supper. The candles are lit, the pasta is handmade and waiting...
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John Conley
Musica est vita
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Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Staunch defence of PGMusic there, but I have not suggested they are a government organization, nor have I asked for anything free. Merely the same for our money as the Windows users get. Just on the point of market share - Macs are almost up to 10% - but that is of the total computer market. And of the 90% that is Windows and "other" (eg Linux etc), a VERY large proportion would be business computers. Not those who would buy BIAB for the most part. Yes, I know BIAB has traditionally been a Windows program, but in the music/multimedia world, Macs are a significant proportion. I suspect that the reason that the Mac version of BIAB may not (yet) sell as well as the Windows version is purely due to a lack of Mac users actually knowing that there IS a Mac version...! And perhaps some don't buy the Mac version because they know that several features are lacking compared to the Windows version. I know two people with Macs who run BIAB under Windows on their Macs via Bootcamp. They were amazed when I recently bought the Everything PAK Mac version! But they smile when they show me their lead sheets and notation etc..... 
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Sometimes there are reasons and reasons. A lot of people know alleged stuff, but that's it. Stuff. At the end of the day, when a business owner looks at the return, he or she says BINGO. Until then, you are, in the vernacular, SOL. That's as honest and as blunt as I can be.
No one, except those who wrote software for Mac, knows what really the impact was of these days when you got blindsided by Mac trying to lock up their platform. Who on Mac gets a 3rd party proggy to do graphics? No one!
Think in thru. Pretend to be business owner making a business plan. YOu'd go..MAC WhAT?
John Conley
Musica est vita
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Try suggesting that attitude to the writers of programs like Reaper, Photoshop, Cubase, Reason, Ableton, and all the hundreds of plugins that work equally well on both platforms. Macs, with almost 10% of the TOTAL computer market, - is a LOT of Macs.... And of course, if we got an iPad version as well... I'm not sure why you're defending what is an obvious weakness in the BIAB stable - the Mac version costs the same as the Windows version, but lacks numerous features, some of which are game changers, like Notation and Lead Sheets. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE Band In A Box. And I love the Mac version that I bought. But it wasn't cheap, and to find that mates with the Windows version can do stuff on their setups that I can't is somewhat galling. OK - I don't want to get into any arguments here - as I said, I love BIAB. I'd rather just ask nicely for parity with our Windows colleagues. So - no more from me on the topic.
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Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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"Who on Mac gets a 3rd party proggy to do graphics? No one!"
This is far from correct. The Mac has long been the dominant professional graphics platform (and a huge force in the music creation world), from the days of Pagemaker, Quark, Freehand, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and many more. Those are still huge installed bases, and they are not shrinking. Yes, the graphics capabilities of an out-of-the box Mac are great. So are the music capabilities!
I've been using BIAB for 10 years and I'm somewhat frustrated at the lack of updating in the Mac interface, but I appreciate the many improvements that have been made to the program as a whole. Lead sheets are high on my wish list.
Allan Smith
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Well, leadsheets get a lot of flac in the Windows version, people want professional engraving right now. Even sooner. When it doesn't work the first time it's deemed broken.
So...
John Conley
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As a user of both the Mac & PC versions, I can understand some frustration. However, the Mac version usually comes out within 3 or 4 months of the PC version. (But of course, I'm one of those users that usually buys the upgrade within hours of its release, and then have my computer downloading all night, just so I don't lose any precious time with this addictive software!) Also, as I recall, the Mixer (which most people really enjoy using) was introduced in the Mac version. Us poor PC users had to wait almost 6 months to get it.  There are some things about the PC version that I do prefer, but the Mac version seems to be catching up. And I still don't know of any program that comes close to doing what BIAB does, at least for me. Steve
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