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Scott, I have redone the vocal track and uploaded. Vocal Only - clean You have done so much already - but I really wanted to get you what I think your effort needs to finalize the entire mix. This will allow you to post a final version for direct comparison to the original mess (Opps, I mean mix). No vocal effects - No pitch correction - just me, a mic, and the BIAB backing (...I feel almost naked here). Your the man Scott , thanks for your efforts on this. It has been and will be a great learning experience for me. So many lessons to learn. 
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Dan, I added in the vox. I put a high pass filter on the front end of the signal chain for the vox at about 250 Hz to take out some 'boxy' character that is probably due to your recording room. There is a whine in the vox - and I don't mean you are complaining. In between phrases, you can hear it - it's roughly 2 kHz and multiples thereof. Very easy to see in isolation using an FFT plugin like the free Voxengo SPAN FFT analyzer. So, I automated the volume down in between phrases. You might want to look into what is causing that whine. It could very well be inside of your interface. I had a similar issue with a PreSonus FireBox. Here's the link to the version with the vocals http://rockstarnot.rekkerd.org/misc/Producer/SWOTR-SAL%20Remix%20with%20clean%20vox.mp3Here's a look at the screenshot (double-click to enlarge it)  Uploaded with ImageShack.usThe white lines on the tracks are the volume automations. the 'Mixer' is on the right and shows all of the signal processing used - mostly compressions and aux sends. The volume and pans are the units with the gray bars in them, level of gray is the volume, black dot is pan from left to right. Note the sax and piano panned left somewhat, guitar panned right somewhat, everything else center. The sends are the pink lines - all sending to the classic reverb set to a small club setting and increasing the room size just a hair. As any aux effect should be, the setting is 100% wet on the reverb. I did also notch out what I felt was a harshness in the vocals at around 10kHz, with a parametric EQ - 2nd block in the signal chain for the vocal track. I'll see about printing the individual effected tracks - I think there's a way to do that automated in Tracktion, but I typically don't use that function.
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There is a whine in the vox - .... In between phrases, you can hear it - it's roughly 2 kHz and multiples thereof. Very easy to see in isolation using an FFT plugin like the free Voxengo SPAN FFT analyzer. So, I automated the volume down in between phrases. You might want to look into what is causing that whine. ....
Oh my, is the mic picking up the ceiling fan which is on the light fixture in the middle of the room right over my head as I sing??  - I've got to start singing in the dark. 
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Dan, it doesn't sound like a ceiling fan to me. Isolate the breaks between vocal phrases and listen closely. You can see it directly if you pass those sections, looped, through an FFT processor like the free Voxengo SPAN FFT analyzer. You can get it free here: http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/VERY useful tool for helping with EQ.
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Scott, you did a wonderful job on this mix. Yuu ain't just talk man. You know your stuff and you can indeed deliver. My hat is off to you. This offering will find a place on my humble site with appropriate credits to sound engineering, mixing and mastering. Thank you again. Dan
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Dan, it doesn't sound like a ceiling fan to me. Isolate the breaks between vocal phrases and listen closely. You can see it directly if you pass those sections, looped, through an FFT processor like the free Voxengo SPAN FFT analyzer. You can get it free here: http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/
VERY useful tool for helping with EQ.
I hear it. It is high pitch and does not exactly sound like the fan when I put my ear near it. I do have a mess of wires which I will check. But take a look at this picture and you will understand why my first thoughts were the fan...
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Scott, you did a wonderful job on this mix. Yuu ain't just talk man. You know your stuff and you can indeed deliver. My hat is off to you.
+1. Everything sounds much clearer, warmer and punchier now to my ears.
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Scott, you did a wonderful job on this mix. Yuu ain't just talk man. You know your stuff and you can indeed deliver. My hat is off to you.
This offering will find a place on my humble site with appropriate credits to sound engineering, mixing and mastering. Thank you again.
Dan
My pleasure.
Main points that you should be able to work with:
1. Put a reverb of your choice into an aux bus of some type and make sure you set it 100% wet. Then use sends on the various channels, imagining how close or far back they are on the stage and set the send amount accordingly, with the send amount increasing as you imagine them further back on the stage. I may have overdone it a bit on this, I don't know. Mix the dry levels accordingly.
2. Light compression was used on nearly everything, after EQ, so that just the peaks were lowered 3-4 dB. On the piano track, I simply used volume automation to tame some more energetic playing, instead of compressing.
3. Pan as you imagine things on the stage. I kept thinking of a small club; which is what the reverb preset had as it's title. I increased the room size about 15% as the only adjustment to the reverb other than setting it to 100% wet.
That's about it. You should be able to do all of this in Reaper or RealBand for that matter.
I'm not going to send a bunch of effected tracks. I'm confident you can duplicate this - the raw tracks are recorded with pretty decent signal to noise ratio. (I do still think there's an intonation issue on at least one string. You can hear it clearly at exactly 00:18-00:19, again at 2:04)
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I apprehend it. It is top angle and does not absolutely complete like the fan if I put my ear abreast it. I do accept a blend of affairs which I will check. But yield a attending at this account and you will accept why my aboriginal thoughts were the fan...
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I apprehend it. It is top angle and does not absolutely complete like the fan if I put my ear abreast it. I do accept a blend of affairs which I will check. But yield a attending at this account and you will accept why my aboriginal thoughts were the fan...
Good point
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I apprehend it. It is top angle and does not absolutely complete like the fan if I put my ear abreast it. I do accept a blend of affairs which I will check. But yield a attending at this account and you will accept why my aboriginal thoughts were the fan...
Good point
I was thinking the same thing as I too have a fan built by an Aborigine tribe, sorry I did not take the time to reply earlier.
Later,
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It sounds to me like you were aggravating to charm the applesauce club acquaintance area the acoustic bass amateur would be continuing off center. I anticipate your mix was just a bit too advanced for the aftereffect your were after. I'm still acquirements myself - it's a never catastrophe process. I'm not as acceptable as I wish to be but I'm bigger than I acclimated to be. And I don't anticipate this sounds as bad as you assume to think.
Very clever eh...
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