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Most users I know and/or read threads on other music forums (Cakewalk/SONAR, Yamaha, Roland, Notion, Guitar Pro, etc.,) don't rely on Windows for MIDI processing (meaning midi-mapper or in/out). In fact, Windows isn't a consideration, given that many (if not most) use a hardware audio and/or MIDI interface and drivers for DAW and basic recording.
Windows isn't a consideration?? People don't rely on Windows for midi processing? What do you think an "interface" and its associated driver is interfacing with? Windows. Of course Windows is doing the processing, it's the OS. If you want to get technical my EMU 1820M has an on board DSP chip for effects like reverb and delays. That relieves the CPU of that task in software so things go faster but Windows still has to process the result. If Windows didn't support midi and the installation of dll plugins then we'd all have squat and everybody would be Mac users. The ASIO drivers that various manufacturers use are drivers for what again? Windows. That's why they're called Windows drivers. If you're trying to say Bill Gates never saw fit to provide us with a good built in driver, and a good basic wavetable instrument sound bank, no argument there. Why didn't he do that? Because we're a very small minority in the PC world of consumers. We're basically on our own.
Everybody except for a very few use a hardware interface and when they don't and report problems what's the first thing we all say? Get an interface. This is routine stuff.
Trust me, John knows what he's talking about. If he's speculating about the future demise of midi, that's an opinion. It could happen.
Bob
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Bob, Richard,
Here’s the thing. I previously indicated the misconception of what the ACW did and what it’s intended to do, which Bob so eloquently explained. My response only reflected the usefulness I found in trying to interpret a simple song I had experimented with. The results were not even close to what I know the song to be. The ACW, to me, is as useful as the “Song Title" generator. I mean come on. An app that names your original compositions? Or an app that auto generates chord progressions for you, in addition to one having to find a style that closely resembles the audio file you were trying to replicate. Geez. So what I'm hearing there's a need or use some find with this, great! I guess it's good for those that need
these kinds of things, but for me, I would have preferred to have an upgrade to the notation aspect of BIAB
or the resizing of the style windows, less gui clutter, etc. And please, this was mentioned in the "Wish List" forum, but as Peter G. indicated, there are certain things that would require a total rewrite of the program and would not be cost effective and too time consuming. Trust me, I've seen the ACW video and have produced results (none useful to me) that, well suffice it say, I could've used something else as an app or add on function than the ACW, but that's just me....
I guess this is where things are, in terms of, pushing buttons, looping and using cut & paste functions in creating music. Whatever happened to learning an instrument and writing songs the old fashion way? When’s the last time a Grammy was awarded to someone who used this new technology to make that #1 hit song?
I guess it’s only a matter of time, but the thing I find mostly is underdeveloped functions to sell and make money verses upgrading functions the program was initially created for…midi. Granted, audio is the “now” thing, but I guess I’m one of those that still feel midi is and will always be relevant in the process. IMO, and don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of advancements in the area of computer generated music, it’s just frustrating trying to get the idea out and not getting side tracked with all the phoo- phoo-la, that takes away from the initial purpose of using the technology to make music. Learning curves for some are huge when it comes to time spent just learning how to use software products, let alone remembering why you brought them in 1st place.
As wordy or verbose as this might be, it's an attempt to *DISCUSS* various aspects of BIAB and get feedback from those that can share their experiences and insights, without slandering, attacking or disrespecting one another. That's all.
Wrkit
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JazzMammal,
Perhaps you misunderstood my statement "...Windows for MIDI processing (meaning midi-mapper or in/out).". You are referring to the OS, while I am referring to modules within the OS. Applications, drivers, and other modules are dependent on the Operating System/environment, to be sure, but one (or an application) doesn't have to use an included vendor's app or module (e.g., Microsoft midi-mapper). And, having worked in the trenches developing software and systems with Microsoft and several other much larger platforms for more years than I'd care to admit (and before Microsoft existed), I have a pretty decent understanding of the subject. As to whose applications, drivers, configurations, etc., I say whatever works for someone provokes no argument. However, my emphasis was with John's "MIDI is dying" statement, that I happen to disagree with, and so does the Music industry. So does PGMusic, else they wouldn't still seek input for new MIDI features.
Richard
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Wrkit,
I too wish that BBW had additional notation features. Howerver, I never really expected BBW to provide that (not saying I wouldn't like it). I use SONAR (both version 5 and X1 producer) for my DAW (went through several other vendors over the years), and while SONAR does have some decent notation features, BBW does some things SONAR doesn't. Sometimes it helps, sometimes one has to export into another product to refine it. I do use Finale for my final notation products and more recently have started exploring Notion 3 (it's not quite there yet). I don't expect BBW to do what SONAR does. And I don't expect SONAR to do what Finale or Notion 3 does. And the other way around.
For me, BBW gives me a great place and canvas to start, explore several avenues, styles, genres, etc., and do so quickly and easily. It's a great product and I am amazed at what PG Music has accomplished and how they continue to innovate (I've used it since version 2004). I just don't expect it to do it all.
I look at ACW and other similar products that I have purchased as a "rough idea", a "good staring point". A good analogy in the software development world is an automatic code generator, marketed by some vendors. They may come close. Good for prototypes but not the final product.
Richard
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John,
I almost hate to reply in this thread given the original thought trend by wrkit. But I'm curious as to your statement about "MIDI is dying" and if your main opinion driver is Windows? Here, I'd have to disagree with you, primarily because:
Most users I know and/or read threads on other music forums (Cakewalk/SONAR, Yamaha, Roland, Notion, Guitar Pro, etc.,) don't rely on Windows for MIDI processing (meaning midi-mapper or in/out). In fact, Windows isn't a consideration, given that many (if not most) use a hardware audio and/or MIDI interface and drivers for DAW and basic recording. Additionally, besides keyboard, there are (while fewer in number than keyboard players) who own and use other synth instruments, such as guitar, wind, electronic drums (also recall Peter's recent request for MIDI features).
Sorry for replying in this thread, but I think you are off the mark here.
Richard
I right with you on this Richard. I have participated in many MIDI is dead “discussions” on these forums. These are the only forums I am on where SOME people think MIDI is dead. Of course that is far from the truth. But they have a right to their opinions.
Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.
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