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I know the real tracks are pre-recorded tracks. Is there a way in the future to take those sounds and apply them to notes that you write or is that an impossibility? They sound so much better than turning midi into real instruments like you do with Garritan and other products. Why is it that when you use something like Garritan the sounds are so flat and have no feeling to them. Is there a way to fix that so it's sounds more natural? Thanks
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1) No, that is not possible at this time
2) Have you experimented with the controllers in Garritan? Without that, the basic sounds will not be as natural sounding.
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I know the real tracks are pre-recorded tracks. Is there a way in the future to take those sounds and apply them to notes that you write or is that an impossibility? They sound so much better than turning midi into real instruments like you do with Garritan and other products. Why is it that when you use something like Garritan the sounds are so flat and have no feeling to them. Is there a way to fix that so it's sounds more natural? Thanks
This has been the Holy Grail question for about 25 years now. "I love the control I can get with midi but why can't it sound better?" It's because it's a stupid computer robot playing it, that's why. I'm sure at some big universities using millions of dollars worth of stuff they have some AI programs running that can sound very close to human players but none of that is ready for your desktop for a couple of hundred bucks. Never say never though, it's probably coming.
The main thing about your question is taking a Real Track down to the level of one note. That is exactly what you do with a good synth or sampler. Keyboards like my Kurzweil or softsynths like Halion or Sampletank already use the best players in the world playing the best instruments in the best studios and record them note for note for exactly that purpose. To do that with a Real Track is simply reinventing the wheel. Those synth/samplers are not cheap. Around $500-1000 for the big name softsynths with the extra sound libraries or several grand for a top keyboard. One good sound library of just acoustic basses is $300 from Steinberg or EastWest. A string section another $300 and so on. Garritan is pretty good for the money but certainly not the best. I was reading about a horn library that only cost $2,700. Yes, twenty-seven hundred bucks just for horns. They have their own proprietary control scheme and you have to go to school to learn it. The sound is there you just have to pay for it. And learn how to control it. If it's just you then you need to understand the nuances of every instrument in your virtual band to do it right.
I know, I know you just want to be able to load a song into Biab, hit play and it sounds like Tower of Power at the Hollywood Bowl. Alas, outside of that multimillion dollar university lab we're not even close to that happening yet.
Bob
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They have their own proprietary control scheme and you have to go to school to learn it. The sound is there you just have to pay for it. And learn how to control it. If it's just you then you need to understand the nuances of every instrument in your virtual band to do it right.
And that means getting down and dirty with MIDI controllers and probably multiple tracks. You want a trumpet fall at the end of a phrase, that means you're going to have to probably either insert a keyswitch note, or enter a CC command or change to the "falls" instrument for that one note. And you have to know how each library does it.
At this time you're not going to be able to just load the instrument in BIAB and hit play and expect it to sound like a live player. MIDI basically gives you note on, note off, pitch bend, velocity, and a few other things, but that's it.
Realtracks, on the other hand, give you phrases, so they sound more musical. The only problem is they are already recorded, so they can't play the melody or phrase you want them to play. Yes, they'll play well within the chord progression, but it will always be the notes already recorded.
However, if you take those phrases and reduce them down to single notes, you really are back to the MIDI concept - you need a way to tell the MIDI engine what to do with those notes and that means handcrafting it. You won't be able to just push play and expect magic to happen.
Realtracks are great in that they give you real live performances with proper phrasing and musical nuance that you will never get with note-on and note-off. You just won't get the exact phrase you want unless you record it yourself.
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