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think about it, if Realtracks work for chord progressions, why not for single notes? It only takes a sampled chromatic scale. I am not even asking for solo guitar slides or violin trills, all I am saying is bare notes from Realtracks that will play back my themes. Let's do it, PG Music 
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Very nice idea. Got my vote !
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Don't want to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but I doubt this will happen any time soon. RealTracks are phrases played by real players, so you get all the nuances of the playing. Single notes can't impart that, and for all intents and purposes, would probably sound the same as any other high end MIDI synth.
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Yeah you need to understand the concept of what RTs are. If you did you'd see why this is not possible.As JF said we already have this.
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Yeah you need to understand the concept of what RTs are. If you did you'd see why this is not possible.As JF said we already have this. ooooooh, you guys sound like you understand a LOT of things that we poor souls don't. Then again, that's the difference between genius and average people.
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Don't want to put a damper on the enthusiasm RealTracks are phrases played by real players, so you get all the nuances of the playing. Single notes can't impart that, and for all intents and purposes, would probably sound the same as any other high end MIDI synth. Really? Ohhhhhh.....
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Exactly how do you imagine that PGMusic can anticipate and program into Biab a melody that you possibly have not even conceived yet? Then in turn, do the same for every user of the Biab program?
Even with RealTracks, you have to enter the key, tempo and chords as well as structure the song which includes developing the melody.
As previously noted by others, Biab can develop a melody over your song structure in whatever key, tempo and chord progression you've created. They've also provided an audio channel for you (or someone who can if you can't) to include whatever custom track you desire. It can be voice, instrument, entire band or any audio that has been recorded in the correct format?
There is no single correct melody to play over a backing track regardless if it is created in Biab or played live. The melodic choices are infinite.
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What you are asking for is already available on the MIDI side of BiaB. With a good sound source and some knowledge about both MIDI and the instrument you are trying to emulate you can get tracks that sound almost or as good as RTs.
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think about it, if Realtracks work for chord progressions, why not for single notes? It only takes a sampled chromatic scale. I am not even asking for solo guitar slides or violin trills, all I am saying is bare notes from Realtracks that will play back my themes.
Let's do it, PG Music Would something like this work for you, It would be good to be able to rearrange (without stretching) RT notation or generate RT solo from user notation using the notation data in realcharts to associated audio. So you would highlight the user midi/notation/tab and like MultiRiff it would search the selected RT data for those existing notes, and again like MultiRiffs it will give you a lot to choose from: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=303258In RB I get the RealTrack & the RealChart, if the notation/midi could be grouped with the audio and be able to select a Beat/s and move the notation horizontally (so it's not stretching the pitch) it would also move the audio and I could create my own Melody/Riff from the RT. I could do it manually buy copying the section of RT along with the RC to a new position on a new track but it is time consuming. You can see in RiffStation how easy it is to create what you want: Video Riffstation RealTrack Riffs.mp4 
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It would be great if there would be a melody generator with realtracks. That would be a step in this direction and should be possible. There are already realtrack-soloists, but soloists don't work for the melody.
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+1. First of all, the request really isn't asking for that much. As I understand the request it is to add single notes to each RealTrack audio file. Users can copy and paste the single notes to use any way the user chooses.
Most of the time a RealTrack folder will contain multiple audio files. Lets say we're looking inside a "dreamy" electric guitar RealTrack folder. There might be a total of seven or eight audio tracks with each track at a different tempo or some variation of the main theme. Wouldn't it be nice to have access to sampled notes, played at the track tempo, with the same instrument, with the same effects applied. If the track features mostly quarter notes then have quarter note samples, if the track features eighth notes then eighth note samples.
Say you want to have a two note lead-in to the intro or want to make a four note turnaround you would have access to the samples you need so everything blends.
It doesn't matter if the instrument is a guitar, sax, trumpet or any other RealTrack instrument you name, I can see real value to having sampled notes tagged to each RealTrack audio file. We already have single hits for many of the RealDrums audio tracks, why not desire the same for RealTracks?
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To be useful, you would have to be able to control not only pitch, timbre and loudness, but also things more subtle like attack, decay and vibrato. Even a slur would require a new set of sounds. Then there are scoops and bends for some instruments. This is a tougher request than it appears.
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If you guys want to try and see if it's doable on an automated level in BB/RB ("all I am saying is bare notes from Realtracks") just download Riffstation PC or Mac Trial and try the RiffBuilder on some of your realtracks, it pics up most of the RT tempos, obviously it's not going to give perfectly what you want that's what session musicians are for. You can just drag a track out of BB\RB into RiffStation and you have the notation RealChart, just look at the time in the bottom of RiffStaion RiffBuilder to the time in the notation window in BB/RB of the RealChart to find notes. If you have a problem with RiffStaion tempo just save a stereo render with the RT panned to the left and a click track (write Metronome to Track) panned to the right then RiffStaion will pick up the tempo. Just spend a bit of time trying and playing around, who knows you might be the one who comes up with a whole knew idea on how to do things better, you might have that Eureka moment. SR.
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I still maintain that you are going to have something much like using a MIDI synth, but will probably sound worse. Remember, sampled sounds for MIDI are "real" instruments being played as well, and all over the forum folks seem pretty averse to using MIDI. But on a note by note basis, using individual "RealNotes" is probably going to sound pretty stiff and even choppy.
Now, it's possible to create a nice sounding melody from a palette of notes, but that's a lot of manual work that I don't think BIAB is going to do. I just don't see pushing a button and getting a satisfying melody based on selecting individual notes.
When a musician plays a phrase, it's always in the context of where he is going next, and plays accordingly. You won't get that by using individual notes not played in that context. It truly will sound like a MIDI synth, and I think probably worse, since MIDI sampled sounds are generally done to work as well as possible in different scenarios.
If PGMusic figures this out, that would be really cool and would blow everything MIDI away. I just don't see it happening without significantly changing the underlying engine for processing notes, as well as the method of entering notes and the nuances you would be looking for.
They would probably have to turn the note entry screen into a full fledged notation program, with support for all the nuances of playing. If you are just entering notes (and associated velocity), that's all you are going to get. The note entry screen would have to allow you specify how each note is to be played if you are looking for something better than MIDI. To get a satisfying melody that beats out sampled MIDI sounds, you would have to, on a note-by-note basis, be able to determine pitch, pitch bend, vibrato, loudness, style, how the note is hit, how it is released, does it slur up or down to the next note, does the tone of the next note match the previous note, etc.
But I could be wrong...
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Has anyone actually tried Riffstation yet, spent some time on it and give some feedback how they went ? anyone ?
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To be useful, you would have to be able to control not only pitch, timbre and loudness, but also things more subtle like attack, decay and vibrato. Even a slur would require a new set of sounds. Then there are scoops and bends for some instruments. This is a tougher request than it appears.
Matt, I agree with you that it is complicated and it would require a HUGE amount of storage to duplicate everything that it is possible to do with one note but, that is not the request as I understand it. It would be nice if the original poster would expand upon his original thoughts but that had not happened so far. As I understand the request the single note samples would still maintain the feel, sound and intent of the RealTrack the samples are part of. The sample notes would be made under the constraint or realization that the intent is for the samples to supplement, support and blend with the parent RealTracks not stand on their own.
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Jim, in other words, maybe take the piano or guitar RealTrack that is already playing the accompaniment, and somehow extract notes from that one RealTrack to play a melody? So you are at least hearing the same instrument and player? Agreed, probably somewhat easier to do, but I'm still not sold you would like listening to it without being able to control all the other characteristics of a note.
Of course, none of us anticipated RealTracks coming, so who knows?
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Has anyone actually tried Riffstation yet, spent some time on it and give some feedback how they went ? anyone ? SR, No I haven't tried Riffstation. I do not read notation so a notation based program is difficult for me to use. I do use the piano roll view (prv) to compose small passages though since prv offers the capability to hear the relative pitch and duration of each note.
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