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I'm new to BB & haven't used it for gigs yet. I'm like you & the people you've been talking to. I sing at small setting gigs exactly like you guys were talking about. I have an "Accoustic AG60" amp. It has 2 channels with 2 imputs per channels with each imput having it's own volume control, thats 4 total. It's 60 watts which is plenty of punch for what I do. I plug my accoustic guitar into one and my live mic into another, adjust the controls to what sounds good & I'm good to go. Now I understand that in order to get my BB songs through to the amp I need an interface connection from my laptop to the sound a module, which is a sinth without the keyboard,(I don't play keyboard). Then from the sinth into the PA. My question to you guys is what are you using for a sound module? Also, do you notice any change in the mix from what is in BB? It's easy to come up with a good mix in BB, but the people at PG music are telling me that the sound mix at a live setting could be way off from what you put into BB at home. They say that each & evey song should be live tested & the mix re-adjusted in a similar enviroment like a large room somewhere or even your garage at home. Especially if you are not taking your laptop along on the gig. Never, they say render your song to MP3 from BB while in your bedroom or office, then take it to the gig plug it in your player and expect the mix to sound like it did at home, or you could be in for a nasty surprise. So what is your guys experience with this? Also what are you using for sound modules? I'm just a simple guy trying to learn this stuff & keep the old ladies at the nursing home happy.
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SAMSON XP-308i Portable Sound System. It's great, lightweight PA that you can carry with one hand. Speakers can be set up on stands or on a handy chair. We use it with BIAB and the bass sounds OK, though not flabby. It's also affordable.
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Thanks people for all your posts. Interesting read. I like the cheap options only because they are cheap but to be honest I wouldnt be happy with them long term. I've been quite drawn to the Bose L1 + B2 sub + Bose Mixer. That setup would set me back around £2500 but it should be close to my computer sound system which is what I was looking for. All I need to do now is figure out how to get £2500 .....and some talent to justify it! 
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Russ66;
Just read your post. Guys here recommended VRM Box for mixing your song. They also recommended Song MDR 7506 headphones also, although I'm going to save £20 and buy the near identical domestic version - Sony MDR V6 instead. I guess once you get a good mix it should play well on any sound system? The other thing to consider would be how well your sound system reproduces compared to the sound you get from your computer bedroom or office. That's why I started this thread and I've come to the conclusion that whilst most sound systems will do, I'm looking for something Hi Fi like with nice smooth deep bass as if the bass/drums were live. So far the Bose L1 seems to offer that, but I haven't heard it yet and the system is very expensive.
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Hi Paul. Couple of comments on this latest part of the thread, on mixing:
I've tried the VRM box. It's a neat trick for listening, but I'm not convinced that it should be used for mixing. The trick to mixing is to learn how your setup 'colors' the sound and to compensate, and minimize the coloring as much as possible. I'm not sure that would be easy with the VRM. As an example of the concept, most pro studios have a set of Yamaha NS-10 monitors - the ones with the while cones (no longer available). They are HORRIBLE. But engineers use them because they do not color the sound. If the mix can sound good on them, it will sound great on anything else!
And, if I can help it, I never mix on headphones. Checking the mix is another matter, though, and this is where I can see a good use of the VRM, especially to check for muddy bass.
I love my SONY 7506 headphones. I've used both of mine for so many years, I've gone through two sets of replacement pads. I have the 7509 as well, but it sounds too 'boomy' to me. The 7506 is great for tracking (wearing while recording).
For longer listening sessions, I prefer the on-ear style of my Alessandro Ones (like a Grado) since they are more comfortable, but you can't use open headphones while tracking. So, if I had to choose only one headphone to use for everything, it would be the 7506.
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Dang, someone has a used 3-year old Bose L1 on sale on craigslist for $750 and I think it is not the compact because he says it retailed for close to $2,000. It must be the L1 Model 1 w/o a bass module, though -- so that would put it in the $1,500 range for a new one now. I wish I was ready to get one of those -- but I am not.
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I would never use the L-1 as a recording studio monitor.
For the studio, I want speakers that work in the nearfield, and also bring no added coloration or equalization to the party.
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Just read your post. Guys here recommended VRM Box for mixing your song. They also recommended Song MDR 7506 headphones also, although I'm going to save £20 and buy the near identical domestic version - Sony MDR V6 instead. I guess once you get a good mix it should play well on any sound system? The other thing to consider would be how well your sound system reproduces compared to the sound you get from your computer bedroom or office. That's why I started this thread and I've come to the conclusion that whilst most sound systems will do, I'm looking for something Hi Fi like with nice smooth deep bass as if the bass/drums were live. So far the Bose L1 seems to offer that, but I haven't heard it yet and the system is very expensive.
Paul, I'm using the VRM box because it is a huge improvement to mixing in headphones without it and currently I'm stuck mixing only with headphones. The VRM seems to do a good job of simulating the stereo effect of two speakers in space as well as giving you several setups to choose from. I am using reference CDs heavily to ensure my mixes sound good.
I certainly am not an expert! Honestly I'm pretty new at all of this. But based on what I have read from industry pros, most home studios are in such bad condition that the most expensive, neutral studio monitors in the world won't help that! And most folks don't bother that much with room treatments (typically I hear talk of hanging up a blanket!) So for me the simplest, fastest and most economical way to do mixing was with headphones and when I discovered the VRM that just made that decision even easier!
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I highly recommend the L1 system also.
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There was a time I would have never considered doing serious mixing over headphones. However since starting to use the VRM box, the VRM with headphones have gotten me closer than my studio nearfield monitors (and accompanying room imperfections) ever did for getting a mix that translates well to other speakers and environments.
As Mac also said, I wouldn't recommend using the Bose L1 system to mix with, but it is certainly advisable to check your mix on them in a decent sized room if you plan on using them for playback in a performance situation.
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From what I've read from people's reviews on the net the Sony MDR 7506 are the same as the Sony MDR V6, only they are aimed at the domestic market. People who have used both say they sound exactly the same so buy the cheaper ones instead = V6.
I'm planning on getting the VRM Box because my whilst my computer sound system is really a Hi Fi system, I don't trust it. It's weighted too much towards bass unless I turn the sub off then its sound really lacking. So when I mix I will be switching between VRM to my speakers with and without sub. There's also the car as a test also. You can tell if something is too boomy in th car I reckon.
I'm def checking out the L1 with B2 bass. But funds do not permit that at the moment and to be honest I cannot justify the cost because I'm not gigging yet. When I do, depending how that pans outs will determine the purchase of L1 but they do impress. I get the I impression the bose L1 with subs is akin to Hi Fi sound?
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I'm def checking out the L1 with B2 bass. But funds do not permit that at the moment and to be honest I cannot justify the cost because I'm not gigging yet. When I do, depending how that pans outs will determine the purchase of L1 but they do impress. I get the I impression the bose L1 with subs is akin to Hi Fi sound?
The full sound spectrum is there, and the dispersion area is key. I'm using both L1 Compacts and the L1 Model 2 with the B1 bass bins, depending on the venue, and both are very impressive as is. I've also heard the B2 bass module and for deep bass that is better yet.
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Like the concept of the L1. Light, adjustable tower height for the speakers so great for sitting or standing. Perhaps youtube just doesn't reproduce the sound well enough, but I found all the clips I watched on youtube to have a poor bass response and a midrange scoop. Clarity is certainly not an issue but I didn't hear much meat in the samples. Would love to try one of these our soon as I am looking for a lighter, versitile amp. Loving my vacation rignt now as I have time to participate in the forum. DennisD
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The full sound spectrum is there, and the dispersion area is key. I'm using both L1 Compacts and the L1 Model 2 with the B1 bass bins, depending on the venue, and both are very impressive as is. I've also heard the B2 bass module and for deep bass that is better yet.
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I'm guessing the B2 bass module is the one that will emulate a true bass player? But what about the other systems, do they offer realistic bottom end bass - IE do they sound like a bass player is in the room? I certainly wont have money to throw around so careful planning and purchasing is key. I'm looking for a Bose system which will emulate sub sonic bass to encourage toes to tap along and even feel the bass without blowing people off their chairs or becoming too boomy. I need to get myself to the shop that demos them but they are a 4+ hour trip there and back, so at the moment its easier to ask online for some key questions.
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I don't recommend using Youtube audio to evaluate the audio quality of *anything*.
And certainly one can get good sound from some if not all of the other suggested systems.
PaulH, you really need to get out with BB and your laptop to some music stores where you can demo some of the different sound systems. no amount of written word on any forum is going to be able to replace that for you. FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF BY ACTUAL AUDITION -- then narrow things down.
The Bose system is indeed pricey and there are plenty of PA offerings that can do a great job and not break the bank account. Users have posted in this thread what they are using in actual performances and their happiness with them. Make a list. See if you can find the same systems in local stores or at least an equivalent and take your laptop plus a cable and adaptors that will yield a line level signal and ask the store people to arrange for you to plug in and listen to the various offerings.
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I'm not a big fan of Bose, especially regarding their reluctance to publish actual specs, BUT: if you can make this small, compact system work for you - go for it.
We had to buy a trailer to haul our PA and backline in. I wish we could just throw a system in the trunk of the car!
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I went to Guitar Center today looking for active speakers that are light enough for this old man to lug around, and appropriate for small to medium sized indoor venues. I asked the guy in the proAudio area what speaker provided the most "bang for the buck", and without hesitation he recommended the ALTO TS-115
I searched online for reviews, and there were a few negatives.. but all from DJs who blew the 15" speaker, probably due to the ultra low frequencies so popular in the genres DJs tend to play
I can't imagine blowing speakers during a Crosby Stills Nash & Young or James Taylor song.
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PaulH, you really need to get out with BB and your laptop to some music stores where you can demo some of the different sound systems. no amount of written word on any forum is going to be able to replace that for you. FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF BY ACTUAL AUDITION -- then narrow things down.
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Bam! There it is, as we say down south "Da Skinny".
Later guys getting reddy for tomorrows gig.
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No problem, I do intend to go check all this stuff out before buying anything.
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I can't imagine blowing speakers during a Crosby Stills Nash & Young or James Taylor song.
Ya gotta hold yer mouth ju-uu-ust right . . . 
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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