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When will BIAB support 64 bit VSTi's? I have BIAB 2012, but it still only supports 32 bit...
Also the manual clearly states a VSTi can be assigned to each part (Bass, Drums, Guitar etc) (check pg 38 of the manual, but it is also mentioned elsewhere) but it refuses to load up more than one in the VSTi load/edit window?
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Hi, Joden -
To laad different VSTi's on different tracks, you do that with the mixer window. The first slow is for the VSTi; the 2nd - 4th slots can be used for effects applied to the track.
But remember, that's only for MIDI tracks; audio tracks (RealTracks/RealDrums) don't use VSTi's.
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Thanks, but I guess q two is rather moot until 64 bit support is introduced...all my VSTi's (not effects) are 64 bit. I am already aware of the differences between audio and midi (been using a DAW for decades)  but thanks anyway, as you were not to know that... I am trying to finally find a use for BIAB....but non 64 bit in this day and age is a bit restricting...
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You certainly have a point Joden but I'm on lots of other forums and this issue comes up all the time. Sometimes it's the other way around where a person has hundreds or in some cases thousands of dollars worth of VSTi's that are all 32 bit, the company hasn't yet come out with 64 bit versions of those plugs so now the guy opens up 64 bit Sonar, Reaper, whatever and his 32 bit plugs won't work. You're the first person I've read about that has all 64 bit plugs but there's no doubt the plugin companies are catching up quickly.
Imagine all the confusing questions these forums get from users who don't really understand the 32 bit/64 bit thing. They open up DAW's in one mode or the other then they have plugs that are both and it drives people crazy. To use one suite of plugs they can only use the 32 bit version of their DAW but to use another suite of plugs they have to use the 64 bit version. It's a mess right now for sure.
I would put your request for a 64 bit Biab in the Wishlist forum if there isn't a 64 bit request already. If there is then add your voice to it.
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Thanks Bob...yeah good points m8, and I agree with all of em  For hdd streaming VSTi's 32 bit is fine, but for the modelling ones that NEED all the RAM you can throw at them, 32 bit just does not cut it...as you probably know. Oh well time to shelve BIAB until another day I suppose. 'twas a good idea at the time Dennis
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Hi Dennis, When you say ... Quote:
I am trying to finally find a use for BIAB....but non 64 bit in this day and age is a bit restricting...
... it made me wonder about what you'd like BIAB to do for you?
I never use plug-ins with BIAB because I use the program only to create audio and midi files that I then take to my DAW. It is in my DAW that I use the plugins to shape and massage the mix of my tracks. Since my DAW supports 64 bit plugins, I'm not at all restricted by the fact that BIAB does not support 64 bits.
I mention the above because if you are going to be using BIAB to build songs and arrangements using a DAW, it is unlikely that you'll need to use any plugins in the program.
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Noel
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What Noel said.
I couldn't figure out the OP's issue but it seems he was trying to use it for a purpose for which it is not intended to be used.
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Jim
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No issues at all m8 so nothing for you to figure out Just saying it cannot run 64bit vsti's...if you do not know the difference between needing lots of ram (more than the 3gig maximum in a 32 bit system) for modelling vsti's as opposed to streaming samples which need relatively small ram allocations, then you would not realise the significance of why 64 bit operation is needed. As I wrote in another thread, I can always run the VSTi's in an external host with virtual midi ports, but then I don't get the option of saving which VST is being used for each aprt and the vst settings all within the BIAB song structure.... If you play live you would get where I am going with this
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Hi, Joden -
There's a thread on the wishlist for 64-bit BIAB; you should add your name to the request, if you haven't already.
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Yeah I know John... there are already many requests in so I didn't think one more would convince PG Music t.b.h. I think if they were at all interested, as 64bit has been around for years, they would have done so by now - even a beta... No, I think they are content to run along as they are...using the same coding base which is now costing them nothing but bringing in profits, I am only talking about the core OS coding here, not the real tracks, or midi tracks or the other stuff ...why spend all that money to re-code to 64bit just for a "relative" few....
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I agree with you Joden and while nothing has been happening with this and other "modernize the program" stuff for years I think there's a glimmer of hope. Peter himself started a few threads in the Wishlist forum asking for suggestions about midi, the GUI and the look of the program among other things and every once in a while he will drop a nugget of info that tells us he is definitely on top of what's happening in the computer world.
One thing to keep in mind is most of us here on this forum don't speak Japanese, German, French or all the other languages yet there's separate forums for all of them. We all think we're the majority but that may not be true at all. For all I know the Euro/Tech dance styles may be huge with the European or Japanese crowd but we would never know it because we don't read those forums. Country and gospel styles are pretty big on this forum but somehow I don't think they are in Asia.
There could be lots of things going on we don't know about.
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Yes I agree Bob - and it would be nice to hear something along the lines that a 64bit version is in development or whatever, rather than ambiguous posts asking for suggestions...
If they (PG) are even thinking about it, then tell the user base. What harm is there in that?
Dennis
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As far as I can recall, PG Music has never announced in advance what would be in the next version. The only exception is an occasional post by Dr. Gannon that some fix or suggestion would be in the next update.
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Matt this is not asking about whats IN a release...just what core OS it will be coded in. Two entirely different things imo.
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There's lots of potential harm in that Dennis. They talk about it then silence then it's never released and everybody yells and screams about it. Especially you.<Grin>
I'm sure there's always exceptions but for the most part software companies NEVER do that until it's really close, then you might, might hear a hint. Nobody knows squat until the beta testers get an email and they are sworn to secerecy. Even then there's no announcements because the testers may discover some unforseen show stopper and that proposed new realease doesn't happen on schedule if ever.
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I think if they were at all interested, as 64bit has been around for years, they would have done so by now - even a beta...
No, I think they are content to run along as they are...using the same coding base which is now costing them nothing but bringing in profits....
With respect Joden, perhaps you are unfamiliar running or owning a business? IMO, this statement is lopsided and unfairly languaged. PG Music is not 'collecting profits' on something that 'costs them nothing'. Everything costs. Day to day operations, shipping, sales, payroll, R&D, fixes, updates, etc. It all costs and BIAB is their primary product. BIAB is a limited production tool despite how many uses people find for it and certainly it has no obligation to keep up with a technology that expands so quickly (few companies can keep up). But keep in mind, this is not generally because of being 'content' or because of a lack of willingness to support its customers. PGM has excellent support.
Some changes, despite how simple they may seem to the end user are not always so simple or cost effective for a company to implement. As an example I have been using UAD cards for years, my most recent purchase was just 5 months ago and still there is no support for 64 bit. This is the highest-end plugin processing company in pro audio production and still they have not managed to make the switch. I suspect, whatever challenges you are having with BIAB, they can remedied in a variety of ways. There is an abundance of experience on this board in terms of BIAB and implementing other software and hardware. Perhaps you can re-phrase your intent or problem and allow the support to help you? It is worth considering.
Cheers~
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Ah yes but you misunderstand the post - I am only referring to the core OS coding which is 32 bit code and was probably coded years ago and the costs of same were probably "written down" some time ago...and yes I am a self employed muso, of COURSE I understand the myriad issues that are involved in a business And with respect, I may be able to actually teach YOU some things re Audio production and the use of software You never know hey Please do not assume because the number of posts HERE are low, that you are talking with a novitiate to the world of PC's, audio and midi data operations I already have several methods of doing all of this....but being essentially lazy, I always strive for the least complicated way of doings out in the real world of performing...not just "doodling" at home where one has time to create all sorts of convoluted and arcane setups.. UAD the highest end processing company???? Where did you dig that from? I would say that is strictly a matter of opinion, doncha' think
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Thank you.
Not sure why post count is of consequence for you Joden, mine is even lower and my post did not reference it nor does it matter to anybody here. And yes, of course all music and sound matters are subjective to opinion. For clarity I said 'plugin' processing company and my point really is a matter of general consensus, not simply personal opinion. UAD processing genuinely is at the top the Pro Audio chain for plugins and was used, in context, as a example. I hope the example was clear as that was the relevant part of the post. That said, I have been in Pro Audio for many years. I don't know of a single major studio in Austin or LA (both cities I have worked) or any current colleague who does not employ UAD processing for plugins to some degree. And still that does not define anything, it is simply a point of interest and reference and still subject to opinion.
Good luck in your endevours.
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Whatever rocks your boat man stick with it - the reference to the post count was in response to your comment (direct quote)............. There is an abundance of experience on this board in terms of BIAB and implementing other software and hardware. Perhaps you can re-phrase your intent or problem and allow the support to help you? It is worth considering. I already know how to implement rather a large range of software you jumped to a conclusion (wrong as it turns out) and you are having difficulty in dealing with it...it's all good it don't jar me none......so now we shall move on hey
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Hello, I do not know if anyone has tried this with PG Music software but it is an application that attempts to bridge 64bit VST plugins to be run in 32bit hosts. Jbridge Main page GuideThanks, Rob.
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