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I've been playing around David Bailey's Fake Disk from Norton Music and I decided I needed basically the same thing for the Just Jazz book I have. So, I got to the second song, Ain't Misbehavin', and I'm using some of the J_Basie styles. Since I'm going this for my keyboard, I want to go ahead and put in my own patches. Not a problem, I know how to do that. Here's the problem. Chorus 2, I want to use the J!~Basin.sty, and I want to use a trumpet ensemble or a solo trumpet for the strings part, which is now a brass section. One octave too low.  Is there any way that I'm not aware of that will allow me to transpose a BIAB part up an octave for a number of bars, in this case a part marker, and then transpose it back down? I don't want to create a .mid file and do it in a sequencer, I want it to stay native in BIAB. This way, if I take the patches out and put in standard GM or GM2 patches, it can be shared with anyone. Gary
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I don’t use BiaB for this kind of work but I think this will work. Unfold your song into one long chorus then in the Piano Roll View highlight that section and raise it one octave. That should raise that section one octave while leaving the others in the original octave.
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I don’t use BiaB for this kind of work but I think this will work. Unfold your song into one long chorus then in the Piano Roll View highlight that section and raise it one octave. That should raise that section one octave while leaving the others in the original octave.
Good luck.
Mario, I appreciate the input, however, I didn't think it was going to work, and it didn't. Now, let me clarify that. YES, I can go in and edit the bars I need and move them up an octave. But, when you go to regenerate the song, they go back to their old position, which is what I expected. They don't stay there. You need to be able to tell BIAB to take this range of bars, in this chorus, and raise them an octave when you generate the song. Now, something else I noticed. When you have a song with multiple styles in it, which this song does, there is a problem with the style changes.. I have three choruses, and I'm using three different styles, albeit all closely related. The first style, or the 'song style', isn't selected anywhere but the Style Picker. I have a four bar intro. At bar five, because there is nothing in the Bar Setting for that bar that tells it to KEEP the same style choice, it automatically selects the style for bar 5, Chorus 2! It shouldn't do that. Furthermore, if you unfold the song, it loses all the changes as far as style and patch changes for the second and third choruses. Grrrrr. Gary
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Yes Gary if you regenerate you will lose your edits. You need to freeze the string part if you do not want it to change then when if you regenerate every but the string part will regenerate.
I believe that if you want to regenerate only part of a track, say the string track for example, then you have to do it in RealBand or save multiple versions of the song and cut and paste in any other DAW.
I hope this helps.
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Gary, are you aware of this "report feature"? This is the bar summary selection in the Song Memo for your tune.
*** Band-in-a-Box Report of Changes in the song at any bar ******
SongTitle is: Ain't Misbehavin', FileName is C:\Users\Dan\Desktop\AM.SGU [Sun, 18 May 2014 11:33:26]
Bar 1: All Choruses,Bass, Patch Change = 33 Acoustic String Bass
Bar 1: All Choruses,Bass,Higher Bank Patch Change=33.121.5
Bar 1: All Choruses,Piano,Higher Bank Patch Change=1.121.10
Bar 1: All Choruses,Guitar,Higher Bank Patch Change=27.121.6
Bar 1: All Choruses,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=62.121.3
Bar 1: Chorus #1,,Style Change to: J_BASIE1.STY
Bar 5: All Choruses,Bass,Higher Bank Patch Change=33.121.5
Bar 5: Chorus #1,Bass,Higher Bank Patch Change=33.121.5
Bar 5: Chorus #2,Bass,Higher Bank Patch Change=33.121.5
Bar 5: Chorus #3,Bass,Higher Bank Patch Change=33.121.5
Bar 5: All Choruses,Piano,Higher Bank Patch Change=1.121.10
Bar 5: Chorus #1,Piano,Higher Bank Patch Change=1.121.10
Bar 5: Chorus #2,Piano,Higher Bank Patch Change=1.121.10
Bar 5: Chorus #3,Piano,Higher Bank Patch Change=1.121.10
Bar 5: All Choruses,Guitar,Higher Bank Patch Change=27.121.6
Bar 5: Chorus #1,Guitar,Higher Bank Patch Change=27.121.6
Bar 5: Chorus #2,Guitar,Higher Bank Patch Change=27.121.6
Bar 5: Chorus #3,Guitar,Higher Bank Patch Change=27.121.6
Bar 5: Chorus #2,Strings, Patch Change = 72 Clarinet
Bar 5: Chorus #2,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=72.121.10
Bar 5: Chorus #3,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=62.121.4
Bar 5: All Choruses,,Style Change to: J_BASIE2.STY
Bar 5: Chorus #1,,Style Change to: J_BASIE1.STY
Bar 5: Chorus #2,,Style Change to: J!~BASIN.STY
Bar 5: Chorus #3,,Style Change to: J_BASIE2.STY
Bar 21: Chorus #1,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=62.121
Bar 21: Chorus #2,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=62.121.1
Bar 21: Chorus #3,Strings,Higher Bank Patch Change=62.121.9
Seems to me you may be getting what you are telling it to do. Look close.
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Dan,
Thanks! You did show me one thing, Bar Five, All Choruses was set to Basie2, which I didn't want, so that clears up the switch from the Song Style to the that one style.
Mario, I truly appreciate the input, but what I want to be able to do is to leave the .sgu file in it's native format. At some point, I'd like to be able to share it with other users, and have them be able to just pick up the actual book, turn to that page, select the song (with standard GM and GM2 patches) and play, and not have them worrying about whether a track is frozen or not. I'd like it to regenerate each time, just like the rest of the song.
Thanks guys!
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There are some Opt|Preferences|Midi Options you can choose to allow or disallow patch changes.
You may try playing with options on that screen.
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There are some Opt|Preferences|Midi Options you can choose to allow or disallow patch changes.
You may try playing with options on that screen. Rachael, Thank you for the suggestion, but this isn't a question of Program Changes, but a question of telling Band In A Box to shift the notes it generates either up or down one or two octaves for a set number of bars. Gary
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I msy be missing something, but have you tried
Alt > L to edit melody , then e to edie, then t to transpose
You can select the whole song or just a number of bars. You want to transpose up 12 semitones.
ALT-L E T should do it
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I msy be missing something, but have you tried
Alt > L to edit melody , then e to edie, then t to transpose
You can select the whole song or just a number of bars. You want to transpose up 12 semitones.
ALT-L E T should do it Dave, I haven't tried that, but you're talking about the Melody. On the other hand, I'm talking about the software generated parts, in this specific instance, the string part. Gary
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Okay, just asked Alyssa in Live Help. The answer to my question is NO, it can't be done.
I CAN transpose the entire track up or down an octave, but not a select number of bars. I guess that's what I'm going to have to do.
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions.
Gary
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Can you move the track to the soloist? You can then mute the bars on the string section and play the solist bars. You can change the solist part in a similar manner to the melody track.
It won't regenerate but if you are happy with the arrangement, it should work fine.
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is it possible to restrict a style to a specific octave be editing it
if so then you could save the edited style under a new name and use it where you wanted it
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is it possible to restrict a style to a specific octave be editing it
if so then you could save the edited style under a new name and use it where you wanted it
Mike, that might be the only solution, and one I hadn't thought about. Alyssa (tech support) told me that I could move things up an octave in the notation view, but it would have been for the whole song, and I'm not sure it would have been permanent anyway. But, creating a new style, and then using just that style for the part marker I want should do what I'm looking for, at least for me. Thanks for the suggestion! Gary
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Gary -
The only workaround I can think of is to generate the parts and then take the string track you want to change octave and instrument, and copy it to either the melody or soloist track. This, of course, means the file will be saved as an .MGU, not .SGU.
Then, edit the melody (or soloist track, whichever one you selected) and delete all the notes for the choruses that should be played by (and regenerated by) the instrument defined in the style. What you should have left are the notes for the chorus you want played by trumpet. Go ahead and transpose that up an octave. Set that track to the trumpet patch.
Then, using the F5 key at the start of the chorus, select the chorus number you want to have the trumpet (on the melody track) play and tell BIAB to mute the Strings track for that chorus. Then tell it to go back to normal for the next chorus.
You trumpet part will remain static and won't be regenerated, but the strings track will be regenerated for the other choruses and won't play at all during the trumpet chorus (because the melody track will be playing instead).
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