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Hi
could someone tell me did 2014 BIAB come with Asio or did we have to supply our own Asio
thanks for help Dave(jazzband)
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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BIAB 2014 supports ASIO drivers, and it has done so for years. ASIO is a standard that is followed by manufacturers when they write device drivers. BIAB has nothing to do with 'supplying' these drivers.
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Yes, BB/RB will work with any driver BUT, the important thing is the interface you are using..... it needs to work with ASIO drivers.
Generally, the interface will come with an installation CD/DVD and that disk has the drivers. It's always a good idea to go to the company's website to update to the latest driver for your interface.
Don't buy an interface that uses codecs or wrappers. Be sure it supports native ASIO and not the wrappers for the other drivers. If an interface's specs on it's web site doesn't specifically state that it does work with ASIO..... ask the techs. Accept nothing that doesn't work with native ASIO drivers.
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Even when a device supplies a native ASIO driver, you may find that their WDM driver works as well or better. You must test each on each device. My Tascam, for example, works better with SONAR using the WDM driver, and this is the recommendation of both companies for that device.
The only reason you need ASIO anyway is if you are recording AND you have latency issues doing so (meaning, you hear unacceptable delay).
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Hi
thanks for your replies they explained it all very clearly
Dave (jazzband)
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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I found that since I will sometimes use MIDI and softsynths, the ASIO drivers give the best low latency performance for me.
Yes, I can switch to WDM & MME but if I have a synth the latency is too much. ASIO runs the synths in real time and the latency is not a problem.
I agree, whatever driver does the best job is the one you should use. Since there are very few computers that are exactly alike, one will work the best for you....and that's the one you need to use.
Try them all.
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I have been fighting with my Korg Legacy M1 software. I finally got the 32 bit software installed and working.
For my clarification, do you only need ASIO for recording, for playback, MME is fine and preferred? I don't plan to start my next album until after Christmas, does that mean I don't need ASIO drivers at all until then?
Thank you for your help.
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Carl, it mostly depends on the device you are using and the quality of its driver.
You will know it's not the best choice, or not adjusted correctly (buffers etc.) if you hear latency (a delay, giving an echo effect).
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I have been fighting with my Korg Legacy M1 software. I finally got the 32 bit software installed and working.
For my clarification, do you only need ASIO for recording, for playback, MME is fine and preferred? I don't plan to start my next album until after Christmas, does that mean I don't need ASIO drivers at all until then?
Thank you for your help. When you set up your soundcard/interface, it should ONLY USE ONE DRIVER.... you use the SAME driver for recording AND playback. If the interface is spec'd to run with ASIO.... that is the one you want to use. ASIO is designed to do the multiplexing and heavy lifting we require. MME and the other drivers and codecs and wrappers try, but often do not succeed. MME works ok for playing music files like single mp3 and waves and will handle some of the stuff we do. For example I can run BiaB on my laptop with MME fairly well..... that's 5 tracks. and it plays OK most of the time. When I get into the recording and mixing part.... MME just doesn't cut it. You always want to use ASIO if possible. Avoid MME and the wrappers and codec drivers like ASIO4ALL unless there's no other option. Some if not most of the factory sound card chips will not support or run using ASIO. They simply can not handle the task. Whether you can use ASIO or not will depend on the sound card and it's chips. If it does support and run on ASIO.....use it. Set it up and get it running. Even interfaces that are designed for ASIO drivers can sometimes take some time to set up properly and get them tweezed to where they run flawlessly. Once they are set up properly, recording and playback will be flawless.
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Thank you both for your responses.
I can't seem to get a peep out of my Korg plug in. BiaB works fine with the built in sounds or Coyote for playing back my midi files, but I think the Korg will sound better than Microsoft or Coyote. I have a licensing issue with Sample Tank so I have not heard it yet. I now think the problem might be getting the Korg M1 Legacy plug-in to go into a simple GM mode. It has 3500 sounds, but I am sure I could live with 128 for a long time. I have GM messages set to send for any start up and I also do it manually, so far no good.
Step 1 for me is to set the ASIO as my default. I am sure everything non-Microsoft will work with the ASIO.
Thanks again.
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Carl, there are a couple of things to keep in mind with the Korg M1 Legacy. One is that the latest version is 64 bit so you may need a wrapper to use it.
Another is that you have to set the MIDI in channels in the M1 to match BiaB's MIDI out channels. Also you may have to send a MIDI volume message at the start of the track, that is a CC7 message.
Lastly the M1 only has 8 MIDI tracks in its combo mode so you can only get 8 different sounds going at the same time. Thus you are not going to get all of the GM sounds in one M1.
When I use the M1 Legacy like you want to in Sonar however I have to manually set it up for each song. In fact other than Sonar's TTS-1, which is a GM synth, I have to set up all of my VSTis for each song.
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Thank you, Mario. Only recently was I able to find the 32 bit M1 download. Finally it was accepted in BiaB. I am not sure if I have heard the first midi note out of it yet. I don't think I ever got BiaB to play any of it. I was starting to wonder about somethings before you reminded me of them. The M1 software is beginning to feel like a hardware synth, that is I would have to assign it channel by channel and voice by voice like I used to do when I had a rack of synth modules. It wasn't bad to record like that, but what a nightmare if I needed to do that live, which is all I am doing these days. I guess if I was a real keyboard player/midi tech, I could record and send midi messages for voice program changes for every song. (Been there, don't want to do that again. I don't think I even remember how to do that.) I am thinking I should have bought the PG Music recommended Coyote Forte instead of the Korg M1 software. Oh well, too bad, so sad.  Thanks again for your patience with my learning curve.
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Carl, have you looked into Soundfonts? There are free 32 bit soundfont players as well as a ton of free soundfonts, including many GM soundfonts. The nice thing about these is that you can replace any one voice with another better version; that is if you find say a better trumpet patch you can replace the current trumpet patch, even in a GM soundfont. Also you can replace those 'gimmick' soundfonts like the helicopter with real sounding instruments.
Soundfonts are dated technology however IMHO some GM ones are better than the purchased entry level GM sound sources.
Also there are many pro soundfonts that you can purchase.
Good luck.
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I started with the Wavetable sounds, built into the early sound cards. It was totally amazing and I loved it. To hear all those sounds coming out of the speakers was so freaking cool. At some point, the General Midi sounds took over when I came back to music after a short time away.
GM sounds were better but not by much. There were 128 of them and that was enough to make some respectable music.
I never used the sounds in any of my hardware synths. Although I knew that I could send the midi data back to the synth and trigger those sounds...... nope, I never bothered..... because, the next thing I discovered was SOUND FONTS.... these things for the most part, sounded better than GM. Some not so much.
The next step in the process was, for me, the sampled synths. They used high quality sound samples that were actual audio and not oscillators trying to sound like a cello, or cymbals.
The limiting factor with samples is the cost. The better ones that are sampled in dozens of layers are very costly.
Garritan Pocket Orchestra was one of the first sampled synths I picked up on. I've added some Native Instruments and some E/W stuff along the way.
PG likes to say they are not sampled and that they are in fact real audio tracks and notes that are played back..... so call it what you will..... I think PG is the pinnacle so far, of what music made inside a computer can be..... for now.
The entire goal in MIDI was to have instruments that sounded like real instruments..... sampling does that best.
What you choose depends greatly on the style and genre of the music you produce and write. There is not a one size fits all kind of synth. That's why there are hundreds of synths on the market from free to very, very costly.
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Last night I downloaded the demo version of Coyote Forte and IMHO, its the best sounding software I have ever used. Is it as good as $700 software? Maybe not, but its all I need. The horns sound really good to me and that was the exact area I was hurting the most. All I want is for my live playback to sound like a real band, a really good kickin' band. Its sounds are samples, not some cheese thing that kinda sounds like the instrument you need if you use your imagination.
Also there was almost no set up involved. I was ready to go in minutes.
Time to send in my $40 to PG. I am done lookin'.
(ASIO works fine with it too.)
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